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> The shareholders demand returns This is the problem. Shareholders demand short term returns, not a long term safe/sustainable future and long term returns.

by dheera 4y ago

> The shareholders demand returns This is the problem. Shareholders demand short term returns, not a long term safe/sustainable future and long term returns. > successful enough to keep them placated No, not really. A good chunk of the market value of TSLA is hinged upon FSD becoming a reality at some point in the future.

woeirua 4y ago
Yes, and in a sane world the SEC and FTC would have slapped Musk down.
AlmostAnyone 4y ago
> This is the problem. Shareholders demand short term returns, not a long term safe/sustainable future and long term returns. So what? There's nothing wrong about that. Shareholders demand both long term stability and short term returns btw - if the market thought there are no long term returns to be had, the stock price would've crashed. Shareholders don't have much say about how Tesla does it, and they're actually the ones defrauded.
spacedcowboy 4y ago
The shareholders can demand whatever they want including shiny unicorns. Musk and Tesla are entitled to say "No". When Tim Cook was asked pointed questions on why Apple gave a crap about environmental concerns, rather than focussing on pure profit über-alles, he smacked down the questioner [1] "If you want me to do things only for ROI reasons, you should get out of this stock.” A company's decisions can be guided by shareholders, but it's on the company to forge their own path. If the shareholders don't like it, they'll vote with their feet. Promising unicorns to keep the feet planted where they are is not a good strategy. [1]: https://9to5mac.com/2014/02/28/tim-cook-rejects-ncppr-proposal-to-end-evironmental-programs-for-increased-profit-suggests-group-sell-stock/ https://9to5mac.com/2014/02/28/tim-cook-rejects-ncppr-propos...
Aunche 4y ago
I don't see how you expect the shareholders to know any better than the consumers. It's not like they have special insider knowledge.

by dheera 4y ago

woeirua 4y ago

Yes, and in a sane world the SEC and FTC would have slapped Musk down.

AlmostAnyone 4y ago

> This is the problem. Shareholders demand short term returns, not a long term safe/sustainable future and long term returns. So what? There's nothing wrong about that. Shareholders demand both long term stability and short term returns btw - if the market thought there are no long term returns to be had, the stock price would've crashed. Shareholders don't have much say about how Tesla does it, and they're actually the ones defrauded.

spacedcowboy 4y ago

The shareholders can demand whatever they want including shiny unicorns. Musk and Tesla are entitled to say "No". When Tim Cook was asked pointed questions on why Apple gave a crap about environmental concerns, rather than focussing on pure profit über-alles, he smacked down the questioner [1] "If you want me to do things only for ROI reasons, you should get out of this stock.” A company's decisions can be guided by shareholders, but it's on the company to forge their own path. If the shareholders don't like it, they'll vote with their feet. Promising unicorns to keep the feet planted where they are is not a good strategy. [1]: https://9to5mac.com/2014/02/28/tim-cook-rejects-ncppr-proposal-to-end-evironmental-programs-for-increased-profit-suggests-group-sell-stock/ https://9to5mac.com/2014/02/28/tim-cook-rejects-ncppr-propos...

Aunche 4y ago

I don't see how you expect the shareholders to know any better than the consumers. It's not like they have special insider knowledge.