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Saw this coming with Eddy Cue taking over the App Store from Phil Schiller.

by nickv 4y ago

lapcat 4y ago
This is not accurate. "Phil Schiller is an Apple Fellow, responsible for leading the App Store and Apple Events." https://www.apple.com/leadership/phil-schiller/ https://www.apple.com/leadership/phil-schiller/ Moreover: "Schiller is still very much in the thick of the action at Apple, where he continues to put in long hours, according to people familiar with this role. The duties he held on to — overseeing the App Store, Apple’s distribution hub for software designed for devices like the iPhone — has positioned him at the center of the Apple business that is attracting the most scrutiny from antitrust regulators in the U.S. and abroad." https://9to5mac.com/2022/09/13/phil-schiller-profile/ https://9to5mac.com/2022/09/13/phil-schiller-profile/
- coldtea 4y ago
  That's what they always say when someone is moves on, is sidelined, or is moved to a cosmetic role ("nothing changed, they're as active as ever").
  - lapcat 4y ago
    That's missing the point. (Also it's an unfalsifiable claim.) Phil Schiller took over the App Store from Eddy Cue 7 years ago. So the OP got it backward. https://www.theverge.com/2015/12/17/10412204/apple-phil-schiller-now-leads-app-store https://www.theverge.com/2015/12/17/10412204/apple-phil-schi...
    - coldtea 4y ago
      >(Also it's an unfalsifiable claim.) Nothing wrong with those, if they're also true. Sometimes you have to go by experience, not evidence.
      - lapcat 4y ago
        > Sometimes you have to go by experience Are you a current or former Apple employee? Anyway, "Eddy Cue re-takes App Store from Phil Schiller" is not even a rumor. That's coming from nowhere.
        coldtea 4y ago
        >Are you a current or former Apple employee? By the experience of the kind of vacuous things companies say time and again when someone is sidelined/has moved on/and so on, only to be proven BS. I'm not an employee at an acquired SaaS startup either, but I do know from similar experience that 9 times out of 10, "nothing will change", "we now have more resources to make an even better product" etc, means the product you'll loved and used will be either become unrecognizable or will shut down within a year or so... In this case, if "Phil Schiller took over the App Store from Eddy Cue 7 years ago. So the OP got it backward" then that's probably not the case. But the general principle remains...
        lapcat 4y ago
        > But the general principle remains... I don't even know what you're arguing anymore. The OP made a factual mistake. I corrected it, with documented evidence. Whether Schiller is fully engaged now or not isn't even the main question. The main question about the OP's comment is, where in the world did "Eddy Cue" come from?
        coldtea 4y ago
        >I don't even know what you're arguing anymore. The exact same thing I argued since my first comment in this thread. You're arguing for Schiller vs Cue. I didn't comment on that. I merely meta-remarked that the 9to5 quote given as supporting evidence doesn't mean much, since those kind of assurances are given by companies to journalists all the time, and especially when they're not true at all. I'm positing that such claims are not good gauges of what's going on - regardless of the particulars of this case.
- nickv 4y ago
  Sorry, I totally missed this thread. I'm speaking to the inside baseball around the App Store that was reported in The Information. Link here: (but it's behind a paywall) https://www.theinformation.com/articles/for-apples-app-boss-a-new-battle-nears?rc=hlc9be https://www.theinformation.com/articles/for-apples-app-boss-... I think that stepping down is probably a strong word, but Eddy's ownership of "services" and "services revenue" is twisting his arm in lots of ways towards how the App Store monetizes. I can't really imagine Phil's entire philosophy around the App Store doing a 180 so quickly if it wasn't for some pressure. Some quotes: Yet while it’s hard for Apple to deny how lucrative the App Store has become, people who have worked closely with Schiller say he has often left money on the table in the past, making decisions on advertising, privacy and content based on what he believes is best for users. Meanwhile, Schiller was less willing to compromise when it involved other categories of games—for example, social casino games, which allow players to bet on virtual prizes by purchasing virtual currency. After Schiller took over the App Store, his editorial team refused to feature such games over concerns that they were addictive for some users, according to a person with direct knowledge of the matter. The policy frustrated some Apple business management employees who were advocating for social-casino developers, as that category generated hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue annually for the App Store. Schiller was originally opposed to Apple’s search ads business, which displays a single ad at the top of search results on the App Store, and for years was against adding ads to the Today tab and app product pages, as he believed this would degrade the user experience, according to two people familiar with the matter. Apple hasn’t announced when the new ads will show up in these sections of the App Store.

Saw this coming with Eddy Cue taking over the App Store from Phil Schiller.

by nickv 4y ago

Saw this coming with Eddy Cue taking over the App Store from Phil Schiller.

This is not accurate. "Phil Schiller is an Apple Fellow, responsible for leading the App Store and Apple Events." https://www.apple.com/leadership/phil-schiller/ https://www.apple.com/leadership/phil-schiller/ Moreover: "Schiller is still very much in the thick of the action at Apple, where he continues to put in long hours, according to people familiar with this role. The duties he held on to — overseeing the App Store, Apple’s distribution hub for software designed for devices like the iPhone — has positioned him at the center of the Apple business that is attracting the most scrutiny from antitrust regulators in the U.S. and abroad." https://9to5mac.com/2022/09/13/phil-schiller-profile/ https://9to5mac.com/2022/09/13/phil-schiller-profile/

coldtea 4y ago
That's what they always say when someone is moves on, is sidelined, or is moved to a cosmetic role ("nothing changed, they're as active as ever").
- lapcat 4y ago
  That's missing the point. (Also it's an unfalsifiable claim.) Phil Schiller took over the App Store from Eddy Cue 7 years ago. So the OP got it backward. https://www.theverge.com/2015/12/17/10412204/apple-phil-schiller-now-leads-app-store https://www.theverge.com/2015/12/17/10412204/apple-phil-schi...
  - coldtea 4y ago
    >(Also it's an unfalsifiable claim.) Nothing wrong with those, if they're also true. Sometimes you have to go by experience, not evidence.
    - lapcat 4y ago
      > Sometimes you have to go by experience Are you a current or former Apple employee? Anyway, "Eddy Cue re-takes App Store from Phil Schiller" is not even a rumor. That's coming from nowhere.
      - coldtea 4y ago
        >Are you a current or former Apple employee? By the experience of the kind of vacuous things companies say time and again when someone is sidelined/has moved on/and so on, only to be proven BS. I'm not an employee at an acquired SaaS startup either, but I do know from similar experience that 9 times out of 10, "nothing will change", "we now have more resources to make an even better product" etc, means the product you'll loved and used will be either become unrecognizable or will shut down within a year or so... In this case, if "Phil Schiller took over the App Store from Eddy Cue 7 years ago. So the OP got it backward" then that's probably not the case. But the general principle remains...
        lapcat 4y ago
        > But the general principle remains... I don't even know what you're arguing anymore. The OP made a factual mistake. I corrected it, with documented evidence. Whether Schiller is fully engaged now or not isn't even the main question. The main question about the OP's comment is, where in the world did "Eddy Cue" come from?
        coldtea 4y ago
        >I don't even know what you're arguing anymore. The exact same thing I argued since my first comment in this thread. You're arguing for Schiller vs Cue. I didn't comment on that. I merely meta-remarked that the 9to5 quote given as supporting evidence doesn't mean much, since those kind of assurances are given by companies to journalists all the time, and especially when they're not true at all. I'm positing that such claims are not good gauges of what's going on - regardless of the particulars of this case.
nickv 4y ago
Sorry, I totally missed this thread. I'm speaking to the inside baseball around the App Store that was reported in The Information. Link here: (but it's behind a paywall) https://www.theinformation.com/articles/for-apples-app-boss-a-new-battle-nears?rc=hlc9be https://www.theinformation.com/articles/for-apples-app-boss-... I think that stepping down is probably a strong word, but Eddy's ownership of "services" and "services revenue" is twisting his arm in lots of ways towards how the App Store monetizes. I can't really imagine Phil's entire philosophy around the App Store doing a 180 so quickly if it wasn't for some pressure. Some quotes: Yet while it’s hard for Apple to deny how lucrative the App Store has become, people who have worked closely with Schiller say he has often left money on the table in the past, making decisions on advertising, privacy and content based on what he believes is best for users. Meanwhile, Schiller was less willing to compromise when it involved other categories of games—for example, social casino games, which allow players to bet on virtual prizes by purchasing virtual currency. After Schiller took over the App Store, his editorial team refused to feature such games over concerns that they were addictive for some users, according to a person with direct knowledge of the matter. The policy frustrated some Apple business management employees who were advocating for social-casino developers, as that category generated hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue annually for the App Store. Schiller was originally opposed to Apple’s search ads business, which displays a single ad at the top of search results on the App Store, and for years was against adding ads to the Today tab and app product pages, as he believed this would degrade the user experience, according to two people familiar with the matter. Apple hasn’t announced when the new ads will show up in these sections of the App Store.