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I don't understand how you don't revolt against this to be honest. And in terms of 'safe', didn't the extreme right just win big because the mainstream parties

I don't understand how you don't revolt against this to be honest. And in terms of 'safe', didn't the extreme right just win big because the mainstream parties totally ignore the uptick in organized violent crime? At least that's what they said in the news here, perhaps it's not fully accurate. I understand state agencies might want to see personal data, though I often don't agree. Having it available for anyone to see certainly would not make me feel safer. But anyway I will never live in Sweden anyway. If the Swedish are happy with this, so be it. I just find it hard to understand.

cpach 4y ago
“At least that's what they said in the news here, perhaps it's not fully accurate.” IMHO it’s pretty accurate unfortunately.
puglr 4y ago
Based on my observations from having Swedish friends and spending time in Sweden, a lot of the rise of the extreme right there can be directly attributed to the tensions resulting from the Syrian refugee crisis. The last time I was in Sweden, ordinary folks were expressing ideas like "well maybe not everyone deserves free healthcare". Like many western nations, economic opportunities and quality of social services is dipping. Standard practice for right wing parties to blame immigrants (or refugees, etc.).
- jwond 4y ago
  > Standard practice for right wing parties to blame immigrants (or refugees, etc.). On the flip side, standard practice for left wing parties is to deny that immigration causes any problems at all and call you racist for even trying to discuss it. However, as we are seeing in Sweden, sometimes the problems become too big to ignore.
  - swooni 4y ago
    People aren't just "trying to discuss it". Plenty of outright racism in Sweden.
    - jwond 4y ago
      I do not deny that some who oppose lax immigration policies are racist, but just because some people who have certain concerns are racist does not mean that everyone who shares those concerns is also racist, or that those concerns are invalid. Some people have in fact been trying to have discussions about immigration policies, but for quite a while proponents of lax immigration policies have dismissed any pushback against such policies as racist/xenophobic fear mongering.
      - puglr 4y ago
        To your point, rape statistics in Sweden seemed to be the major talking point on this issue, and would generally trigger the response you describe.
        cinntaile 4y ago
        The statistic is unfortunately being hijacked for that purpose. It is especially common for foreign news outlets to focus on this and it gives the impression that Sweden is not a safe place for women. The opposite is true however, Sweden is one of the safest places and on earth for women.
- StanislavPetrov 4y ago
  >Like many western nations, economic opportunities and quality of social services is dipping. Standard practice for right wing parties to blame immigrants (or refugees, etc.). Increasing the importation of poor immigrants that are dependent on economic assistance and social services by definition reduces the economic opportunity and availability of social services for the already poor residents who are dependent on these services. Those who insist on rejecting this piece of objective reality because it doesn't jive with their political and/or cultural agenda create a vacuum for the "right wing" to be the only ones voicing the legitimate concerns people have about mass immigration.
cinntaile 4y ago
Organized violent crime is mostly gang wars so ordinary people aren't directly affected. Although you could have bad luck and be mistaken for one of these gang members I guess.
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  I don't agree. I was in the Netherlands when there were gang wars in Amsterdam and these guys don't care about collateral damage at all. One time they shot up a tram full of people during some gang fight.
  - cinntaile 4y ago
    What does the situation in the Netherlands have to do with Sweden?
    - GekkePrutser 4y ago
      It's the same problem - heavy organised crime fighting turf wars in crowded cities. Also, ATM raids are getting much more violent. They blow up half the building just to get to the cash in the machine. I think it's normal that people ask for the authorities to do more against this.
- type0 4y ago
  Not true, identity theft is common in Sweden, many regular Svensson are suffering from frauds and even burglaries because of these policies.
  - cinntaile 4y ago
    Identity theft is not a violent crime.

cpach 4y ago

“At least that's what they said in the news here, perhaps it's not fully accurate.” IMHO it’s pretty accurate unfortunately.

puglr 4y ago

Based on my observations from having Swedish friends and spending time in Sweden, a lot of the rise of the extreme right there can be directly attributed to the tensions resulting from the Syrian refugee crisis. The last time I was in Sweden, ordinary folks were expressing ideas like "well maybe not everyone deserves free healthcare". Like many western nations, economic opportunities and quality of social services is dipping. Standard practice for right wing parties to blame immigrants (or refugees, etc.).

jwond 4y ago
> Standard practice for right wing parties to blame immigrants (or refugees, etc.). On the flip side, standard practice for left wing parties is to deny that immigration causes any problems at all and call you racist for even trying to discuss it. However, as we are seeing in Sweden, sometimes the problems become too big to ignore.
- swooni 4y ago
  People aren't just "trying to discuss it". Plenty of outright racism in Sweden.
  - jwond 4y ago
    I do not deny that some who oppose lax immigration policies are racist, but just because some people who have certain concerns are racist does not mean that everyone who shares those concerns is also racist, or that those concerns are invalid. Some people have in fact been trying to have discussions about immigration policies, but for quite a while proponents of lax immigration policies have dismissed any pushback against such policies as racist/xenophobic fear mongering.
    - puglr 4y ago
      To your point, rape statistics in Sweden seemed to be the major talking point on this issue, and would generally trigger the response you describe.
      - cinntaile 4y ago
        The statistic is unfortunately being hijacked for that purpose. It is especially common for foreign news outlets to focus on this and it gives the impression that Sweden is not a safe place for women. The opposite is true however, Sweden is one of the safest places and on earth for women.
StanislavPetrov 4y ago
>Like many western nations, economic opportunities and quality of social services is dipping. Standard practice for right wing parties to blame immigrants (or refugees, etc.). Increasing the importation of poor immigrants that are dependent on economic assistance and social services by definition reduces the economic opportunity and availability of social services for the already poor residents who are dependent on these services. Those who insist on rejecting this piece of objective reality because it doesn't jive with their political and/or cultural agenda create a vacuum for the "right wing" to be the only ones voicing the legitimate concerns people have about mass immigration.

cinntaile 4y ago

Organized violent crime is mostly gang wars so ordinary people aren't directly affected. Although you could have bad luck and be mistaken for one of these gang members I guess.

GekkePrutser 4y ago
I don't agree. I was in the Netherlands when there were gang wars in Amsterdam and these guys don't care about collateral damage at all. One time they shot up a tram full of people during some gang fight.
- cinntaile 4y ago
  What does the situation in the Netherlands have to do with Sweden?
  - GekkePrutser 4y ago
    It's the same problem - heavy organised crime fighting turf wars in crowded cities. Also, ATM raids are getting much more violent. They blow up half the building just to get to the cash in the machine. I think it's normal that people ask for the authorities to do more against this.
type0 4y ago
Not true, identity theft is common in Sweden, many regular Svensson are suffering from frauds and even burglaries because of these policies.
- cinntaile 4y ago
  Identity theft is not a violent crime.