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My only feedback is that this is unrealistic because today developers wouldn’t try to debug something, they’d just destroy the instance, push a commit and hope

My only feedback is that this is unrealistic because today developers wouldn’t try to debug something, they’d just destroy the instance, push a commit and hope it fixed something infra related then recreate it. Why would you need to understand how something works? Just use containers. /s

sshd 4y ago
This is so sad but so true!
edmcnulty101 4y ago
If its dumb and it works it's not dumb.
vsareto 4y ago
Developers just need to understand everything because we need developers to do everything and meet all deadlines. We wouldn't dare consider a support role that could troubleshoot it because then there would be no point to having developers that can do everything! /s
- cube00 4y ago
  Support doesn't deliver features, we need new features! /s
grepLeigh 4y ago
If most developers can't debug a VM, then anyone who can will be able to charge a premium. If you have a proficiency in ops, remember that the next time you negotiate a compensation package. [Edited my compensation numbers to avoid down votes - yikes]
- andrewmcwatters 4y ago
  I feel like you definitely have to target particular companies and more specifically specific titles and skills to offer to do so. My guess is trying to sell high end services as a "principal software engineer" isn't going to be enough to justify that cash comp to a lot of people hiring.
  - grepLeigh 4y ago
    I wouldn't think of it as trying to sell yourself as a "principal software engineer" on an open market. I'd make a list of the companies where hiring/scaling the ops team will make or break the business's value delivery, and filter by companies aware of this. You can knock this out at the recruiting step, just by asking about open developer headcount vs. open SRE ops headcount. Ask which direction that ratio seems to be going, and if there's anyone you can talk to whose job it is to change that ratio (director or VP mandate). The referral network from working at a hyperscaler co in ops is a great way to break into the space.
    - andrewmcwatters 4y ago
      Thanks for the heads up!
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sshd 4y ago

This is so sad but so true!

edmcnulty101 4y ago

If its dumb and it works it's not dumb.

vsareto 4y ago

Developers just need to understand everything because we need developers to do everything and meet all deadlines. We wouldn't dare consider a support role that could troubleshoot it because then there would be no point to having developers that can do everything! /s

cube00 4y ago
Support doesn't deliver features, we need new features! /s

grepLeigh 4y ago

If most developers can't debug a VM, then anyone who can will be able to charge a premium. If you have a proficiency in ops, remember that the next time you negotiate a compensation package. [Edited my compensation numbers to avoid down votes - yikes]

andrewmcwatters 4y ago
I feel like you definitely have to target particular companies and more specifically specific titles and skills to offer to do so. My guess is trying to sell high end services as a "principal software engineer" isn't going to be enough to justify that cash comp to a lot of people hiring.
- grepLeigh 4y ago
  I wouldn't think of it as trying to sell yourself as a "principal software engineer" on an open market. I'd make a list of the companies where hiring/scaling the ops team will make or break the business's value delivery, and filter by companies aware of this. You can knock this out at the recruiting step, just by asking about open developer headcount vs. open SRE ops headcount. Ask which direction that ratio seems to be going, and if there's anyone you can talk to whose job it is to change that ratio (director or VP mandate). The referral network from working at a hyperscaler co in ops is a great way to break into the space.
  - andrewmcwatters 4y ago
    Thanks for the heads up!

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