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> Also depends on where you live, but I live in Europe and here you see people having hobbies and doing random stuff everywhere you go, people just drinking a c

> Also depends on where you live, but I live in Europe and here you see people having hobbies and doing random stuff everywhere you go, people just drinking a coffee and staring at the sky. Essentially this. I'm a software engineer in the U.S. And here are some of the places & situations I've been in where I've come across other software engineers (as discovered through simply chatting up random strangers) - At anime conventions - At a martial arts school - At an art showing in a Middle Eastern-themed cafe - At in-the-park social events - At wine-and-cheese tastings You find people where they spend their time. If you're visiting websites that cater to try-hard indie hustlers, you'll be surrounded there by try-hard indie hustlers. On the flip side, if you're going out and _doing_ actual hobbies, you'll be surrounded by people who go out and do actual hobbies. Some of them might even share your same career choices.

slowmovintarget 4y ago
This is basically right. I'm a software professional. My hobbies are fountain pens, chess, and Go (the game, not the language). Going to a pen show I meet people from vastly different career paths, including those who make a living in the orbit of the hobby.
badpun 4y ago
Of all the above, only martial art school counts as a hobby. Hobbies are defined as doing something (e.g. drawing, playing an instrument or a sport, fishing etc.), not just as passive consumption (e.g. going to conventions or events).
- dentemple 4y ago
  That's a far narrower view on hobbies than most people would define it as. "Mental" stimulation typically counts as leisure activity. To the extent that no one sniffs at the idea of saying "watching movies" is a hobby of theirs. Appreciating/critiquing art at an art show--or attending a certain style of social event on a monthly basis--certainly requires more active participation than spending time in a theater. And if you doubt what sort of time investment an anime fan would require in keeping up with their hobby, take a look at much material someone would have to keep up with in just a three-month period alone: https://myanimelist.net/anime/season https://myanimelist.net/anime/season
  - badpun 4y ago
    > To the extent that no one sniffs at the idea of saying "watching movies" is a hobby of theirs. Interesting. I actually sniff at that idea :) For me, watching movies is a pasttime activity, similar to say scrolling your phone. A differentiation between pasttime activity and a hobby for me is that hobby requires some level of effort.

slowmovintarget 4y ago

This is basically right. I'm a software professional. My hobbies are fountain pens, chess, and Go (the game, not the language). Going to a pen show I meet people from vastly different career paths, including those who make a living in the orbit of the hobby.

badpun 4y ago

Of all the above, only martial art school counts as a hobby. Hobbies are defined as doing something (e.g. drawing, playing an instrument or a sport, fishing etc.), not just as passive consumption (e.g. going to conventions or events).

dentemple 4y ago
That's a far narrower view on hobbies than most people would define it as. "Mental" stimulation typically counts as leisure activity. To the extent that no one sniffs at the idea of saying "watching movies" is a hobby of theirs. Appreciating/critiquing art at an art show--or attending a certain style of social event on a monthly basis--certainly requires more active participation than spending time in a theater. And if you doubt what sort of time investment an anime fan would require in keeping up with their hobby, take a look at much material someone would have to keep up with in just a three-month period alone: https://myanimelist.net/anime/season https://myanimelist.net/anime/season
- badpun 4y ago
  > To the extent that no one sniffs at the idea of saying "watching movies" is a hobby of theirs. Interesting. I actually sniff at that idea :) For me, watching movies is a pasttime activity, similar to say scrolling your phone. A differentiation between pasttime activity and a hobby for me is that hobby requires some level of effort.