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> My grandmother never locked her door when she was at home This whole 'golden age' of Sweden is just such a bunch of bs. Take a look, for instance, at this a

> My grandmother never locked her door when she was at home This whole 'golden age' of Sweden is just such a bunch of bs. Take a look, for instance, at this article about a part of central Stockholm which is now extremely expensive real estate: https://skarn.se/hans-marmbo/ https://skarn.se/hans-marmbo/ (in Swedish) I thoroughly recommend running the page through Google translate or DeepL for an insight into the reality of Stockholm just 50 years ago - it's a fascinating and horrific account of drug addicts and lowlifes brutally murdering each other in terrifying and depraved ways. (DeepL translation:) "Prostitutes, alcoholics and drug addicts moved in next door to students and underpaid casual workers. Pickpocketing, knife fights and burglaries became commonplace, and neighbourhoods once considered stately could now have been lifted from a Dickens novel. In the press, the area was called the swamp..."

impossiblefork 4y ago
yeah, and that was literally front page news and was an incredibly unusual event. Furthermore, Östermalm has always been a place full of somewhat disreputable people, even though it ended up a place where relatively rich people lived. Notice that the story you're talking about involves prostitutes and all sorts of deranged stuff. These people may have been associates of the upper class, but there is a reason we Swedes have always despised the upper class.
- null_object 4y ago
  > that was literally front page news and was an incredibly unusual event. My point wasn't about the specific case (obviously multiple horrific murders are not a common occurrence), I meant the general milieu of drug addiction, law-breaking, prostitution; the disgustingly dirty slum conditions that people lived in - all of which was accompanied by police corruption and brutality. Naturally none of this is popular to bring up in front of Swedes nowadays. As I see that the downvote of my Swedish-negative comments speaks volumes about how much you guys value freedom of expression.
  - impossiblefork 4y ago
    I don't have enough comments to be able to downvote, so it's not me and it's far from certain that it's a Swede. This is a forum very few people from here frequent.
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  - seti0Cha 4y ago
    Citing statistics would be a lot more convincing than basing an argument around a single news story. I was under the impression that crime statistics show a deterioration. Is that not the case? (not a downvoter, btw, but maybe that's what they're objecting to)
    - impossiblefork 4y ago
      Yes, there's absolutely a deterioration. [Here](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Sweden-crime-1976-2016-robbery-sex-murder.svg)'s https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Sweden-c... a graph from Wikipedia showing some violent crimes increasing, but the change is more than just the numbers, and the numbers could now be underestimates because trust in police etc. has dropped. The social trust that existed even with strangers and for which there was good reason is largely gone.

impossiblefork 4y ago

yeah, and that was literally front page news and was an incredibly unusual event. Furthermore, Östermalm has always been a place full of somewhat disreputable people, even though it ended up a place where relatively rich people lived. Notice that the story you're talking about involves prostitutes and all sorts of deranged stuff. These people may have been associates of the upper class, but there is a reason we Swedes have always despised the upper class.

null_object 4y ago
> that was literally front page news and was an incredibly unusual event. My point wasn't about the specific case (obviously multiple horrific murders are not a common occurrence), I meant the general milieu of drug addiction, law-breaking, prostitution; the disgustingly dirty slum conditions that people lived in - all of which was accompanied by police corruption and brutality. Naturally none of this is popular to bring up in front of Swedes nowadays. As I see that the downvote of my Swedish-negative comments speaks volumes about how much you guys value freedom of expression.
- impossiblefork 4y ago
  I don't have enough comments to be able to downvote, so it's not me and it's far from certain that it's a Swede. This is a forum very few people from here frequent.
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- seti0Cha 4y ago
  Citing statistics would be a lot more convincing than basing an argument around a single news story. I was under the impression that crime statistics show a deterioration. Is that not the case? (not a downvoter, btw, but maybe that's what they're objecting to)
  - impossiblefork 4y ago
    Yes, there's absolutely a deterioration. [Here](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Sweden-crime-1976-2016-robbery-sex-murder.svg)'s https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Sweden-c... a graph from Wikipedia showing some violent crimes increasing, but the change is more than just the numbers, and the numbers could now be underestimates because trust in police etc. has dropped. The social trust that existed even with strangers and for which there was good reason is largely gone.