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>The underwritten currency of human society is violence. Using it, you can take what you want and the only way to stop you is more violence. If you are part of

>The underwritten currency of human society is violence. Using it, you can take what you want and the only way to stop you is more violence. If you are part of an ideological tribe that wants to protect humans from each others' petty brutality you must seize land, establish the rule of law, and murder or expel people who challenge your regime. I don't think any progressives deny the state's "monopoly on violence". Of course the state must establish the rule of law, and possibly murder (or is it not murder before the rule of law is established?) those who seek to overthrow the state. >it sometimes frustrates me that so many westerners who believe in "human rights" are convinced these problems can be solved with a light touch. But do you really need to murder scammers and slave owners unless they try to resist with insurrectionery violence? A light touch of a long prison sentence can work. I feel you want the state to gun down these people immediately without a trial or anything. I don't think that's right, and you haven't argued for why it's right, just ranted on barely related things.

quacked 4y ago
I never said anything about "no trial", I said that murder and exile are the only two effective sentences for people like slavers. There's no amount of "personal rehabilitation" that excuses it. A light touch only ensures that people who are effective at manipulation of those with better goodwill than them can avoid the two fair sentences. Long prison sentences are unnecessarily cruel and a net drain on resources. The only reason to forgive slave-owners is if you're grandfathering them into a new nation-state and offering amnesty under threat of death for their participation.
- archon1410 4y ago
  >The only reason to forgive slave-owners is if you're grandfathering them into a new nation-state and offering amnesty under threat of death for their participation. But Britain did this and it wasn't a new state at all. It worked out well enough and was apparently cheaper than the American Civil War.

quacked 4y ago

I never said anything about "no trial", I said that murder and exile are the only two effective sentences for people like slavers. There's no amount of "personal rehabilitation" that excuses it. A light touch only ensures that people who are effective at manipulation of those with better goodwill than them can avoid the two fair sentences. Long prison sentences are unnecessarily cruel and a net drain on resources. The only reason to forgive slave-owners is if you're grandfathering them into a new nation-state and offering amnesty under threat of death for their participation.

archon1410 4y ago
>The only reason to forgive slave-owners is if you're grandfathering them into a new nation-state and offering amnesty under threat of death for their participation. But Britain did this and it wasn't a new state at all. It worked out well enough and was apparently cheaper than the American Civil War.