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What on earth are you talking about? Nokia sued Apple first after it became clear they weren't going to be able to compete with the things Apple was doing. Noki
by ellyagg 15y ago
What on earth are you talking about? Nokia sued Apple first after it became clear they weren't going to be able to compete with the things Apple was doing. Nokia was able to successfully extort money from Apple. Apple was taught that this is how you play the game. If people want the system to change, they need to lobby for it, but please remember your history. Apple didn't start this and everyone is doing it. Who is playing offense and who is playing defense depends on how well you remember the timeline and which "team" you side with.
- stanleydrew 15y agoDo you have a reference for that? I can't remember who was first anymore but I did seem to think it was Apple.
- ellyagg 15y agohttp://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=896889 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=896889
- ceol 15y ago>Apple was taught that this is how you play the game. This implies that Apple was some naive child entering the Big Bad World of Business. I doubt they were unaware of how to play the game.
- Tuna-Fish 15y ago>What on earth are you talking about? Nokia sued Apple first after it became clear they weren't going to be able to compete with the things Apple was doing. That's not exactly how it happened -- every other major player pays Nokia licensing fees. Apple refused to purchase a license on the terms Nokia offered (mostly, Nokia wanted a cross-licensing agreement for Apple UI patents. Nokia actually cares about patents, and tries to not infringe on them.), so Nokia sued them to force it.
- ghshephard 15y ago" Who is playing offense and who is playing defense depends on how well you remember the timeline and which "team" you side with." At this level - All the major players try and license on FRAND terms first and foremost - limits your risk, and keeps your legal bills down - but Nokia was asking for more than Apple was willing to play - so they go to court. All the players are looking at this from a Game Theoretic position, and, at the end of the day, Patent holders _have_ to send some of their negotiations to court, if only to make it clear their FRAND values would be held up. Apple is somewhat unique, in that they aren't as keen on getting license value for their patents as their competitors are - and, FRAND values on a design patent is a lot more "mushy" than a radio chip function.
- politician 15y agoFRAND means "fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair,_reasonable,_and_non-discriminatory_terms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair,_reasonable,_and_non-discr...
- moe 15y agoYes, those are absolutely the first words that cross my mind when I read about the patent lawsuit of the week...
- Tuna-Fish 15y ago> " Who is playing offense and who is playing defense depends on how well you remember the timeline and which "team" you side with." Not saying Nokia is the good guy here -- just pointing out that the fact that they sued is unrelated to the fact they couldn't compete in smartphones. Based on the history of Nokia, if they had never tried to compete with Apple, they still would have demanded the licensing costs. Simply because they care about patents and consider them one of their normal sources of revenue.
- vacri 15y agoApple was taught that this is how you play the game. I thought Apple was 'think different' and 'we play the game our own way'?