> It's always easy to say "just be better and more diligent programmers", but that doesn't work. If the language promote spagetti, spagetti will be written. Oh

> It's always easy to say "just be better and more diligent programmers", but that doesn't work. If the language promote spagetti, spagetti will be written. Oh, I completely agree and I would never say that. But at the same time, Java promotes complexity and overengineering. I've seen 10+ nested classes for something that was a 5-line function in Python. The big difference for me is when I talk to Python engineer they agree that their spaghetti sucks. They want to evolve out of it, they just haven't found a way yet. It is much harder to convince Java folks that their class hierarchies are useless. Fixing Python spaghetti is way easier than fixing Java folks mindset.