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If the great firewall of America materializes, I will teach my kids to say "...with liberty and justice for some". .and when the teacher corrects him/her and ge

by maeon3 15y ago

If the great firewall of America materializes, I will teach my kids to say "...with liberty and justice for some". .and when the teacher corrects him/her and gets sent to the principals office. he will have a packet of material proving my case beyond all doubt.

untog 15y ago
Any reason to use your children? You wouldn't want to go in there and speak to the principal yourself?
- zht 15y ago
  maybe he has a day job
- maeon3 15y ago
  This country is losing its liberties not because authorities are unaware, but because they dont care. the people are tranquilized into inactivity. My kid making a scene in class insisting on "liberties for some" will leave a mark on the future, encouraging people to call out and point at bull donk wheras a me talking with the principal would have zero effect.
  - untog 15y ago
    Then why don't you make a scene? It bothers me that a lot of people seem to think that the best form of activism they can possibly practise is training their children to mindlessly repeat talking points on concepts they are barely able to grasp. There's a great BBC documentary on the Westboro Baptist Church where the interviewer asks a small child what he's protesting about. He trots out lines about homosexual sin etc. etc. but when questioned further it becomes blindingly obvious that he has no idea what he's talking about- he is just looking for approval from his parents. He is later hit in the face by someone inaccurately throwing a drink from their car. He has no idea why he's there or what he's doing, but his parents drag him there to suffer for the causes they believe in.
    - lhnn 15y ago
      You're assuming the OP is going to have his child blindly recite things. What if he actually teaches his children like parents are supposed to?
      - untog 15y ago
        I will teach my kids to say "...with liberty and justice for some". Not "I will teach my kids about...". and when the teacher corrects him/her and gets sent to the principals office. he will have a packet of material proving my case beyond all doubt. = The kid will not know what they are talking about, so I will make them carry around a folder proving my point to anyone who dares to question me.
        sukuriant 15y ago
        You're assuming that. The OP may wish to explain it more elloquently than his child can. The OP may teach their child quite well, but also wish to provide them with more powerful evidence than they could recall off-hand/ensure their facts are right/etc.
bilbo0s 15y ago
Funny story... My daughter caused an incident at school when she wouldn't recite the Pledge of Allegiance to TEXAS! That's right, every morning, kids here in Houston recite the Pledge of Allegiance to the STATE OF TEXAS! Well my daughter refused, and would only pledge allegiance to the Flag of The United States. Interesting exchanges ensued with the teachers and school administration telling her she wasn't being the right kind of 'leader'. She needed to be more of a 'team player'. In the end, they just told the other kids she was the 'class clown'. You know...because "She is always being 'loony'." This is society writ small. If someone exercises free or critical thought, they will be labelled a 'crazy' or 'radical'. The worst part is that the rest of society, or in my daughter's case, the class, will believe the authorities. Just came to my mind when I read your comment.
- cpeterso 15y ago
  My (California) high school stopped reciting the Pledge of Allegiance around 1990. I didn't know schools still made people do this.
  - bilbo0s 15y ago
    To be clear...she's in ELEMENTARY school, I don't know if pledging allegiance to the State of Texas is required of high school students here. I can't imagine it is...of course I couldn't imagine a pledge of allegiance to the state of Texas either before I heard from the principal about my daughter's 'disruptive' behavior.
cgag 15y ago
I like the message, but I think I'd rather my kids didn't say the pledge of allegiance at all.

by maeon3 15y ago

untog 15y ago

Any reason to use your children? You wouldn't want to go in there and speak to the principal yourself?

zht 15y ago
maybe he has a day job
maeon3 15y ago
This country is losing its liberties not because authorities are unaware, but because they dont care. the people are tranquilized into inactivity. My kid making a scene in class insisting on "liberties for some" will leave a mark on the future, encouraging people to call out and point at bull donk wheras a me talking with the principal would have zero effect.
- untog 15y ago
  Then why don't you make a scene? It bothers me that a lot of people seem to think that the best form of activism they can possibly practise is training their children to mindlessly repeat talking points on concepts they are barely able to grasp. There's a great BBC documentary on the Westboro Baptist Church where the interviewer asks a small child what he's protesting about. He trots out lines about homosexual sin etc. etc. but when questioned further it becomes blindingly obvious that he has no idea what he's talking about- he is just looking for approval from his parents. He is later hit in the face by someone inaccurately throwing a drink from their car. He has no idea why he's there or what he's doing, but his parents drag him there to suffer for the causes they believe in.
  - lhnn 15y ago
    You're assuming the OP is going to have his child blindly recite things. What if he actually teaches his children like parents are supposed to?
    - untog 15y ago
      I will teach my kids to say "...with liberty and justice for some". Not "I will teach my kids about...". and when the teacher corrects him/her and gets sent to the principals office. he will have a packet of material proving my case beyond all doubt. = The kid will not know what they are talking about, so I will make them carry around a folder proving my point to anyone who dares to question me.
      - sukuriant 15y ago
        You're assuming that. The OP may wish to explain it more elloquently than his child can. The OP may teach their child quite well, but also wish to provide them with more powerful evidence than they could recall off-hand/ensure their facts are right/etc.

bilbo0s 15y ago

Funny story... My daughter caused an incident at school when she wouldn't recite the Pledge of Allegiance to TEXAS! That's right, every morning, kids here in Houston recite the Pledge of Allegiance to the STATE OF TEXAS! Well my daughter refused, and would only pledge allegiance to the Flag of The United States. Interesting exchanges ensued with the teachers and school administration telling her she wasn't being the right kind of 'leader'. She needed to be more of a 'team player'. In the end, they just told the other kids she was the 'class clown'. You know...because "She is always being 'loony'." This is society writ small. If someone exercises free or critical thought, they will be labelled a 'crazy' or 'radical'. The worst part is that the rest of society, or in my daughter's case, the class, will believe the authorities. Just came to my mind when I read your comment.

cpeterso 15y ago
My (California) high school stopped reciting the Pledge of Allegiance around 1990. I didn't know schools still made people do this.
- bilbo0s 15y ago
  To be clear...she's in ELEMENTARY school, I don't know if pledging allegiance to the State of Texas is required of high school students here. I can't imagine it is...of course I couldn't imagine a pledge of allegiance to the state of Texas either before I heard from the principal about my daughter's 'disruptive' behavior.

cgag 15y ago

I like the message, but I think I'd rather my kids didn't say the pledge of allegiance at all.