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I think you've overestimated how many people look for jobs because they "really want to work" for a particular company. Further, you're asking candidates to eat

I think you've overestimated how many people look for jobs because they "really want to work" for a particular company. Further, you're asking candidates to eat the opportunity cost associated with spending time on one employer's application process.

massysett 4y ago
Job postings trigger a flood of applications. It’s not an efficient use of staff time to trudge through applications from people who couldn’t be bothered to create a login.
- PainfullyNormal 4y ago
  Creating a login can be automated. You're not filtering for qualified job applicants by doing that. You're guaranteeing that the only applicants you ever see are bots.
- mjhay 4y ago
  Getting a job these days sans personal collections requires sending out many, many applications. Each job one applies to only has a small chance of getting a callback. Given that, I'm not going to spend 30 minutes filling out pages of redundant information. If a company has that little respect for my time to make me jump through all of these bureaucratic hoops, seemingly to prove I can tolerate mindless nonsense, I don't want to work for them.
  - b112 4y ago
    If a company has that little respect for my time to make me jump through all of these bureaucratic hoops, seemingly to prove I can tolerate mindless nonsense, I don't want to work for them. Yup, all my data is on linkedin, then I click apply, and I get taken to a whole other website? And no way to fill in from linkedin? Clearly corp x cares little about my time. And for what? Why? Is 'Apply with linkedin" that bad?! Here's the truth, top talent? Corps need to do the work. Not us.
  - twawaaay 4y ago
    > Getting a job these days sans personal collections requires sending out many, many applications. I am sorry this is the way you see it. Have you ever tried figuring out where you would like to work, researching the company, be excellently prepared for the interview and working them to get the best terms? Trust me, it is easier than ever and I have been a long time on the job market. Right now, trying to put ANY effort will immediately put you in front of other candidates because 99% of candidates, frankly, are too lazy for barest effort on their part. Which this entire comment section is an excellent example of.
    - ROTMetro 4y ago
      Found the manager/C-level. a thread with 8 million valid reasons why people are unwilling to do this and Twawaaay's takeaway: 'candidates, frankly, are too lazy for the barest effort'.
      - twawaaay 4y ago
        You know what they used to call people who would not do something unless they were greeted with red carpet? A diva. If you join the company, there will be a lot of things that will not work perfectly and yet you will be asked to do things anyway. Everything is in constant flux at any startup because of growth and at large companies things are broken because of entrenched mistakes. If everything works perfectly it means the company obsesses over its internal processes to the point of ignoring everything else. Which is also a problem. There exists no company that is in a state of change where everything works perfectly. And every non trivial company is always in a state of change. If you can't get over one broken form you simply aren't cut for the job.
        ProZsolt 4y ago
        But that state I will be payed for my efforts. Unless you do something truly groundbreaking or contributing to a cause I deeply care, which makes me to want to really work there, I will just go to the next company where will be a lot of things that also not work perfectly, but I don't have to jump through these hoops.
  - ROTMetro 4y ago
    And the above comment is how the candidates with the most opportunities will see things, meaning your system to find the best candidate by default filters out valuable candidates that also value and are rational about their time but great for finding 'wage slaves' that will accept unreasonable demands of their time and don't really have other options. Gee, what a funny, totally unexpected result for the company ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    - massysett 4y ago
      Oh wow they have so many opportunities that they need to go on websites and click buttons to apply? The ones with all these opportunities coming out of their ears are getting recruited, not spamming websites. Setting up a spam magnet just attracts spam, not the “candidates with the most opportunities.”
      - Silhouette 4y ago
        Some companies are doing interesting things but unless a good worker already has some kind of connection through their network they're still going to make a direct approach to start the process. Particularly for smaller companies this is very common. That doesn't mean a good and genuinely interested applicant won't have several other possibilities they're interested in exploring as well though.
  - happyopossum 4y ago
    > Getting a job these days sans personal collections requires sending out many, many applications I think this may be more a consequence of blasting out numerous applications, than the cause of having to do so. Every job I've gotten in the past 20 years has been a) the company I was targeting to work for, and b) the result of a targeted, careful, and studious effort to get in there.

massysett 4y ago

Job postings trigger a flood of applications. It’s not an efficient use of staff time to trudge through applications from people who couldn’t be bothered to create a login.

PainfullyNormal 4y ago
Creating a login can be automated. You're not filtering for qualified job applicants by doing that. You're guaranteeing that the only applicants you ever see are bots.
mjhay 4y ago
Getting a job these days sans personal collections requires sending out many, many applications. Each job one applies to only has a small chance of getting a callback. Given that, I'm not going to spend 30 minutes filling out pages of redundant information. If a company has that little respect for my time to make me jump through all of these bureaucratic hoops, seemingly to prove I can tolerate mindless nonsense, I don't want to work for them.
- b112 4y ago
  If a company has that little respect for my time to make me jump through all of these bureaucratic hoops, seemingly to prove I can tolerate mindless nonsense, I don't want to work for them. Yup, all my data is on linkedin, then I click apply, and I get taken to a whole other website? And no way to fill in from linkedin? Clearly corp x cares little about my time. And for what? Why? Is 'Apply with linkedin" that bad?! Here's the truth, top talent? Corps need to do the work. Not us.
- twawaaay 4y ago
  > Getting a job these days sans personal collections requires sending out many, many applications. I am sorry this is the way you see it. Have you ever tried figuring out where you would like to work, researching the company, be excellently prepared for the interview and working them to get the best terms? Trust me, it is easier than ever and I have been a long time on the job market. Right now, trying to put ANY effort will immediately put you in front of other candidates because 99% of candidates, frankly, are too lazy for barest effort on their part. Which this entire comment section is an excellent example of.
  - ROTMetro 4y ago
    Found the manager/C-level. a thread with 8 million valid reasons why people are unwilling to do this and Twawaaay's takeaway: 'candidates, frankly, are too lazy for the barest effort'.
    - twawaaay 4y ago
      You know what they used to call people who would not do something unless they were greeted with red carpet? A diva. If you join the company, there will be a lot of things that will not work perfectly and yet you will be asked to do things anyway. Everything is in constant flux at any startup because of growth and at large companies things are broken because of entrenched mistakes. If everything works perfectly it means the company obsesses over its internal processes to the point of ignoring everything else. Which is also a problem. There exists no company that is in a state of change where everything works perfectly. And every non trivial company is always in a state of change. If you can't get over one broken form you simply aren't cut for the job.
      - ProZsolt 4y ago
        But that state I will be payed for my efforts. Unless you do something truly groundbreaking or contributing to a cause I deeply care, which makes me to want to really work there, I will just go to the next company where will be a lot of things that also not work perfectly, but I don't have to jump through these hoops.
- ROTMetro 4y ago
  And the above comment is how the candidates with the most opportunities will see things, meaning your system to find the best candidate by default filters out valuable candidates that also value and are rational about their time but great for finding 'wage slaves' that will accept unreasonable demands of their time and don't really have other options. Gee, what a funny, totally unexpected result for the company ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  - massysett 4y ago
    Oh wow they have so many opportunities that they need to go on websites and click buttons to apply? The ones with all these opportunities coming out of their ears are getting recruited, not spamming websites. Setting up a spam magnet just attracts spam, not the “candidates with the most opportunities.”
    - Silhouette 4y ago
      Some companies are doing interesting things but unless a good worker already has some kind of connection through their network they're still going to make a direct approach to start the process. Particularly for smaller companies this is very common. That doesn't mean a good and genuinely interested applicant won't have several other possibilities they're interested in exploring as well though.
- happyopossum 4y ago
  > Getting a job these days sans personal collections requires sending out many, many applications I think this may be more a consequence of blasting out numerous applications, than the cause of having to do so. Every job I've gotten in the past 20 years has been a) the company I was targeting to work for, and b) the result of a targeted, careful, and studious effort to get in there.