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> Apples fees just happen to be higher. And just happen to be mandatory. 30% is indeed higher than the few percent VISA may take. > And as always, facebook ha

> Apples fees just happen to be higher. And just happen to be mandatory. 30% is indeed higher than the few percent VISA may take. > And as always, facebook has an option to make their own phone instead of the metaverse nobody is asking for. Guess we need the Spotify phone, Amazon phone, Facebook phone, ... Just to be clear, I am not defending Meta specifically (I do not use any of their product) but this argument is BS. An operating system used by +25% of the population (higher in the US) shouldn't enforce such fee. Please do not forget that modern phones aren't just phone. They are a mandatory part of living in society. The "just buy android" or "just don't support iOS" arguments aren't reasonable.

hellisothers 4y ago
> The “just buy Android”… arguments aren’t reasonable I was with you up to here, if you don’t like what Apple is doing then saying “fine buy the other guy” is a totally reasonable argument, choice is the best argument. Now weather or not Google and Apple are a duopoly in this situation is another issue…
- TheMode 4y ago
  Because what Apple is doing doesn't only affect Apple users. As said, phones aren't just phones.
- hackerfromthefu 4y ago
  When the 'choice' is getting your privacy raped or your pocket raped its no choice.
tekknik 4y ago
> Guess we need the Spotify phone, Amazon phone, Facebook phone, ... Just to be clear, I am not defending Meta specifically (I do not use any of their product) but this argument is BS. An operating system used by +25% of the population (higher in the US) shouldn't enforce such fee. I don’t use spotify so I can’t speak for their platform but don’t they charge outside of Apples ecosystem, and therefore aren’t subject to Apples 30%? I’m an Apple “fanboy”, all my service subs go through them if they accept it. Many subs don’t. So I don’t see the equivalence here. > They are a mandatory part of living in society. No they are not. They are a convenience. People can and will continue to live without them if necessary. Even in modern society. Go a week without your smartphone before you say things like this.
- TheMode 4y ago
  > I don’t use spotify so I can’t speak for their platform but don’t they charge outside of Apples ecosystem My point is that platforms cannot simply make their own phone/ecosystem to avoid clearly abusive behavior. Smartphones are already so much harder to make compared to 10/20 years ago, imagine in 50. > No they are not. They are a convenience. People can and will continue to live without them if necessary. Even in modern society. Go a week without your smartphone before you say things like this. Until you try to enter a restaurant where you have to scan a QR code, or when the government decide to track you using an APP because of a certain epidemic. Or when communicating become a struggle because all your contacts are using X third-party chatting service. Sure, you can still call it a convenience (just ask the person next to you to scan the code, prints paper everyday or do whatever tedious task is the alternative, find new friends or force them to adapt to you) but it is not reasonable. At that point I could say that a house/place to live is only a convenience you could very well survive in a forest. And I doubt that our dependence on smartphone is doing to slow down any time soon. A real convenience would be a dish-washer, I wouldn't care what horrible things the clear monopoly is doing as I could easily buy another brand without affecting anything in my life. This is not the case with a smartphone, companies are clearly encouraged/forced (there are exceptions) to support as many platforms as they can, hence why electron exist. And you can imagine that social media/chatting service cannot really afford to ignore half the world.

hellisothers 4y ago

> The “just buy Android”… arguments aren’t reasonable I was with you up to here, if you don’t like what Apple is doing then saying “fine buy the other guy” is a totally reasonable argument, choice is the best argument. Now weather or not Google and Apple are a duopoly in this situation is another issue…

TheMode 4y ago
Because what Apple is doing doesn't only affect Apple users. As said, phones aren't just phones.
hackerfromthefu 4y ago
When the 'choice' is getting your privacy raped or your pocket raped its no choice.

tekknik 4y ago

> Guess we need the Spotify phone, Amazon phone, Facebook phone, ... Just to be clear, I am not defending Meta specifically (I do not use any of their product) but this argument is BS. An operating system used by +25% of the population (higher in the US) shouldn't enforce such fee. I don’t use spotify so I can’t speak for their platform but don’t they charge outside of Apples ecosystem, and therefore aren’t subject to Apples 30%? I’m an Apple “fanboy”, all my service subs go through them if they accept it. Many subs don’t. So I don’t see the equivalence here. > They are a mandatory part of living in society. No they are not. They are a convenience. People can and will continue to live without them if necessary. Even in modern society. Go a week without your smartphone before you say things like this.

TheMode 4y ago
> I don’t use spotify so I can’t speak for their platform but don’t they charge outside of Apples ecosystem My point is that platforms cannot simply make their own phone/ecosystem to avoid clearly abusive behavior. Smartphones are already so much harder to make compared to 10/20 years ago, imagine in 50. > No they are not. They are a convenience. People can and will continue to live without them if necessary. Even in modern society. Go a week without your smartphone before you say things like this. Until you try to enter a restaurant where you have to scan a QR code, or when the government decide to track you using an APP because of a certain epidemic. Or when communicating become a struggle because all your contacts are using X third-party chatting service. Sure, you can still call it a convenience (just ask the person next to you to scan the code, prints paper everyday or do whatever tedious task is the alternative, find new friends or force them to adapt to you) but it is not reasonable. At that point I could say that a house/place to live is only a convenience you could very well survive in a forest. And I doubt that our dependence on smartphone is doing to slow down any time soon. A real convenience would be a dish-washer, I wouldn't care what horrible things the clear monopoly is doing as I could easily buy another brand without affecting anything in my life. This is not the case with a smartphone, companies are clearly encouraged/forced (there are exceptions) to support as many platforms as they can, hence why electron exist. And you can imagine that social media/chatting service cannot really afford to ignore half the world.