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As an advisor for startup CEOs who also worked for a lot of large known brands, I fully agree. Even just a tiny bit of effort in the application process does m

As an advisor for startup CEOs who also worked for a lot of large known brands, I fully agree. Even just a tiny bit of effort in the application process does miracles to filter out people who do not really want to work for your company. Because sending hundreds or even thousands job applications requires you to optimise your efforts and reject possible employers who would require you to spend total of one day in the process. On the other hand if found the company you would like to work for, you researched the position, you have realistic demands, spending that time is just an investment in getting the job you really want. For example, when I interview I take a day off so that I am rested, fresh and with my head reasonably empty of the projects I am currently running so that I can present my best on the interview.

colonelpopcorn 4y ago
I think you've overestimated how many people look for jobs because they "really want to work" for a particular company. Further, you're asking candidates to eat the opportunity cost associated with spending time on one employer's application process.
- massysett 4y ago
  Job postings trigger a flood of applications. It’s not an efficient use of staff time to trudge through applications from people who couldn’t be bothered to create a login.
  - PainfullyNormal 4y ago
    Creating a login can be automated. You're not filtering for qualified job applicants by doing that. You're guaranteeing that the only applicants you ever see are bots.
  - mjhay 4y ago
    Getting a job these days sans personal collections requires sending out many, many applications. Each job one applies to only has a small chance of getting a callback. Given that, I'm not going to spend 30 minutes filling out pages of redundant information. If a company has that little respect for my time to make me jump through all of these bureaucratic hoops, seemingly to prove I can tolerate mindless nonsense, I don't want to work for them.
    - b112 4y ago
      If a company has that little respect for my time to make me jump through all of these bureaucratic hoops, seemingly to prove I can tolerate mindless nonsense, I don't want to work for them. Yup, all my data is on linkedin, then I click apply, and I get taken to a whole other website? And no way to fill in from linkedin? Clearly corp x cares little about my time. And for what? Why? Is 'Apply with linkedin" that bad?! Here's the truth, top talent? Corps need to do the work. Not us.
    - twawaaay 4y ago
      > Getting a job these days sans personal collections requires sending out many, many applications. I am sorry this is the way you see it. Have you ever tried figuring out where you would like to work, researching the company, be excellently prepared for the interview and working them to get the best terms? Trust me, it is easier than ever and I have been a long time on the job market. Right now, trying to put ANY effort will immediately put you in front of other candidates because 99% of candidates, frankly, are too lazy for barest effort on their part. Which this entire comment section is an excellent example of.
      - ROTMetro 4y ago
        Found the manager/C-level. a thread with 8 million valid reasons why people are unwilling to do this and Twawaaay's takeaway: 'candidates, frankly, are too lazy for the barest effort'.
        twawaaay 4y ago
        You know what they used to call people who would not do something unless they were greeted with red carpet? A diva. If you join the company, there will be a lot of things that will not work perfectly and yet you will be asked to do things anyway. Everything is in constant flux at any startup because of growth and at large companies things are broken because of entrenched mistakes. If everything works perfectly it means the company obsesses over its internal processes to the point of ignoring everything else. Which is also a problem. There exists no company that is in a state of change where everything works perfectly. And every non trivial company is always in a state of change. If you can't get over one broken form you simply aren't cut for the job.

colonelpopcorn 4y ago

I think you've overestimated how many people look for jobs because they "really want to work" for a particular company. Further, you're asking candidates to eat the opportunity cost associated with spending time on one employer's application process.

massysett 4y ago
Job postings trigger a flood of applications. It’s not an efficient use of staff time to trudge through applications from people who couldn’t be bothered to create a login.
- PainfullyNormal 4y ago
  Creating a login can be automated. You're not filtering for qualified job applicants by doing that. You're guaranteeing that the only applicants you ever see are bots.
- mjhay 4y ago
  Getting a job these days sans personal collections requires sending out many, many applications. Each job one applies to only has a small chance of getting a callback. Given that, I'm not going to spend 30 minutes filling out pages of redundant information. If a company has that little respect for my time to make me jump through all of these bureaucratic hoops, seemingly to prove I can tolerate mindless nonsense, I don't want to work for them.
  - b112 4y ago
    If a company has that little respect for my time to make me jump through all of these bureaucratic hoops, seemingly to prove I can tolerate mindless nonsense, I don't want to work for them. Yup, all my data is on linkedin, then I click apply, and I get taken to a whole other website? And no way to fill in from linkedin? Clearly corp x cares little about my time. And for what? Why? Is 'Apply with linkedin" that bad?! Here's the truth, top talent? Corps need to do the work. Not us.
  - twawaaay 4y ago
    > Getting a job these days sans personal collections requires sending out many, many applications. I am sorry this is the way you see it. Have you ever tried figuring out where you would like to work, researching the company, be excellently prepared for the interview and working them to get the best terms? Trust me, it is easier than ever and I have been a long time on the job market. Right now, trying to put ANY effort will immediately put you in front of other candidates because 99% of candidates, frankly, are too lazy for barest effort on their part. Which this entire comment section is an excellent example of.
    - ROTMetro 4y ago
      Found the manager/C-level. a thread with 8 million valid reasons why people are unwilling to do this and Twawaaay's takeaway: 'candidates, frankly, are too lazy for the barest effort'.
      - twawaaay 4y ago
        You know what they used to call people who would not do something unless they were greeted with red carpet? A diva. If you join the company, there will be a lot of things that will not work perfectly and yet you will be asked to do things anyway. Everything is in constant flux at any startup because of growth and at large companies things are broken because of entrenched mistakes. If everything works perfectly it means the company obsesses over its internal processes to the point of ignoring everything else. Which is also a problem. There exists no company that is in a state of change where everything works perfectly. And every non trivial company is always in a state of change. If you can't get over one broken form you simply aren't cut for the job.