Dell makes their money in the B2B space now. They used to have a great consumer facing business model with their catalogs and, relatively, fair and transparent

Dell makes their money in the B2B space now. They used to have a great consumer facing business model with their catalogs and, relatively, fair and transparent pricing. I find their products to be garbage as well, but honestly so is every PC manufacturer. Lenovo is maybe slightly better with their Thinkpad line as long as you don't mind the legacy Lenovo design quirks and layout (I know a lot of people here like it). I would love to hear if anyone can firmly recommend a PC laptop manufacturer at this point. Are Razer laptops any good? Is the Framework actually good or just not actively bad? What are HP laptops like these days? I feel like when people say a PC laptop is good they just mean not actively bad.