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Apple has been rock solid for me for a decade. Their priorities aren’t fully aligned with mine, but they’re as close as any company I know of. I really want to

Apple has been rock solid for me for a decade. Their priorities aren’t fully aligned with mine, but they’re as close as any company I know of. I really want to try a System76 or Framework as my next machine.

tablespoon 4y ago
> Apple has been rock solid for me for a decade. Their priorities aren’t fully aligned with mine, but they’re as close as any company I know of. I really want to try a System76 or Framework as my next machine. Aren't all those premium products? Many of the complaints here read like: "I usually BMWs, but I decided to buy a Honda Fit and hated it. It's small and under-powered, nothing like the BMWs I prefer: Honda sucks. Honda should adopt the BMW strategy of making all their products premium."
- shellfishgene 4y ago
  I think it's more the case that the Honda Fit would come with engine problems that the service doesn't effectively repair under warranty, and also with a 5000 pound trailer full of unwanted junk that's hard to remove from the car.
  - tablespoon 4y ago
    > I think it's more the case that the Honda Fit would come with engine problems that the service doesn't effectively repair under warranty, and also with a 5000 pound trailer full of unwanted junk that's hard to remove from the car. No. A lot of the complaints, including in the OP are about things like product-line complexity and design compromises likely from designing to a lower price. Some people are venting anecdotes about horrible support and product quality experiences, but that's true for even Apple laptops. The literal worst laptop experience I've ever had was with a 2018 MacBook that would inscrutably and randomly freeze on wake for minutes on end. Apple replaced random parts but otherwise refused to help. The only thing that fixed the problem was a OS downgrade that Apple tried its hardest to make impossible.
intelVISA 4y ago
Starlabs too, plenty of Linux laptops out there. Arguably a little over-priced but can you really put a dollar value on removing dystopian tech like Intel ME? Old Thinkpads support Coreboot reliably if you feel like a DIY approach as well.
- sbuk 4y ago
  I don't think they are overpriced, I think that they price their product realistically. They're competing in a niche market and the ethos of that niche means that their target customers categorically will not accept the bloat that comes with consumer laptops from the big manufacturers, who subsidise the lower margins on these models with bloatware. Cost to serve consumers is likely a lot higher than business as businesses are generally prepared to pay for that extra cover.
  - intelVISA 4y ago
    Very true, that's a good way to look at it. They're definitely great value for money compared to ~$100 cheaper but filled with SMM level bloatware alternatives.
duxup 4y ago
Yeah I just moved to a Mac a few months ago. Hard to know what any company thinks at any moment or etc, but I'm enjoying it.

tablespoon 4y ago

> Apple has been rock solid for me for a decade. Their priorities aren’t fully aligned with mine, but they’re as close as any company I know of. I really want to try a System76 or Framework as my next machine. Aren't all those premium products? Many of the complaints here read like: "I usually BMWs, but I decided to buy a Honda Fit and hated it. It's small and under-powered, nothing like the BMWs I prefer: Honda sucks. Honda should adopt the BMW strategy of making all their products premium."

shellfishgene 4y ago
I think it's more the case that the Honda Fit would come with engine problems that the service doesn't effectively repair under warranty, and also with a 5000 pound trailer full of unwanted junk that's hard to remove from the car.
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > I think it's more the case that the Honda Fit would come with engine problems that the service doesn't effectively repair under warranty, and also with a 5000 pound trailer full of unwanted junk that's hard to remove from the car. No. A lot of the complaints, including in the OP are about things like product-line complexity and design compromises likely from designing to a lower price. Some people are venting anecdotes about horrible support and product quality experiences, but that's true for even Apple laptops. The literal worst laptop experience I've ever had was with a 2018 MacBook that would inscrutably and randomly freeze on wake for minutes on end. Apple replaced random parts but otherwise refused to help. The only thing that fixed the problem was a OS downgrade that Apple tried its hardest to make impossible.

intelVISA 4y ago

Starlabs too, plenty of Linux laptops out there. Arguably a little over-priced but can you really put a dollar value on removing dystopian tech like Intel ME? Old Thinkpads support Coreboot reliably if you feel like a DIY approach as well.

sbuk 4y ago
I don't think they are overpriced, I think that they price their product realistically. They're competing in a niche market and the ethos of that niche means that their target customers categorically will not accept the bloat that comes with consumer laptops from the big manufacturers, who subsidise the lower margins on these models with bloatware. Cost to serve consumers is likely a lot higher than business as businesses are generally prepared to pay for that extra cover.
- intelVISA 4y ago
  Very true, that's a good way to look at it. They're definitely great value for money compared to ~$100 cheaper but filled with SMM level bloatware alternatives.

duxup 4y ago

Yeah I just moved to a Mac a few months ago. Hard to know what any company thinks at any moment or etc, but I'm enjoying it.