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I used to vehemently agree with stuff like this, but now I just cringe. Yeah software today sucks, but comparing it with the 70s/80s/90s is just stupid. We don'

I used to vehemently agree with stuff like this, but now I just cringe. Yeah software today sucks, but comparing it with the 70s/80s/90s is just stupid. We don't ship software for one piece of incredibly simple hardware and a few thousand customers anymore. Elitism isn't going to make the situation any better and frankly unproductive whining like this is just getting exhausting.

MisterTea 4y ago
I "vehemently agree" but I don't insult farmers or other blue collar workers because that's a shitty thing to do. The author is just an asshole and should be punched in the face by a farmer.
- zmxz 4y ago
  Why is the author asshole? You don't insult farmers but you won't stoop before insulting the author of microwebsockets. At what point does one assume moral high ground with 100% certainty? It's as if all this hate comes from the inability to read text carefully, without isolating malicious intent first.
  - girvo 4y ago
    Insulting an entire group of people, by directly implying that farmers are not skilful or educated, is worse than insulting the person who made the insult in the first place.
    - codeguro 4y ago
      Insulting, whether at an individual or at a group, is a lowly, immoral act in of itself despite one being slightly better than the other.
    - zmxz 4y ago
      But he didn't insult crop farmers, he placed the word in quotes. A "farmer" (note the double quotes) is a gaming/internet culture term that denotes someone who does repetitive, boring tasks in order to accumulate some kind of value. I'm pretty certain that intelligent people who comment here are aware of it, but are using mental gymnastics in order to justify the insults they'll direct towards the author of microwebsockets. Is that not hypocrisy in its finest form?
      - orf 4y ago
        No, because an old and crusty term like that isn’t common knowledge anymore.
        hunterb123 4y ago
        You're saying that gaming term is "crusty and old" therefore your misinterpretation of his statement and your emotional outrage is justified? What is the cutoff date for terms we can use that won't confuse and emotionally outrage you?
        orf 4y ago
        I’m clearly saying, like others are in this thread, that just because you associate calling someone a “farmer” with an anachronistic gaming term doesn’t mean that almost everyone will read it in a different way, nor does it mean that your interpretation is correct. ‘What do you do for a job?’ ‘I’m a farmer’ ‘Oh right what’s the best quest to farm on in WOW?’ Said nobody ever. It reads very poorly, in short.
        hunterb123 4y ago
        Why do you think he put it in quotes? Did you read the full context, or just rage at the cut out sentence that someone else here provided to you? It's very clear in long form what he was talking about. He has no control of people taking one sentence out of a long opinion that he has written. It's up to you to inform yourself before joining the mob and sharpening your pitchfork.
        orf 4y ago
        > Why do you think he put it in quotes? Because they are not actually farmers, but have similar negative stereotypical traits? Why are you so eager to accuse everyone of blind rage? I read the whole thing. It’s bog standard “these kids on my lawn” stuff which isn’t worth any brain power discussing. However, you not being able to understand why people didn’t assign some convoluted meaning to the word farmer is quite interesting.
- Waterluvian 4y ago
  The author should be a farmer for a season and we can live stream their crying and incompetence for charity.
  - hunterb123 4y ago
    - MisterTea 4y ago
      > Some of you need to learn how to read, or learn how to not get so emotional. How is anyone supposed to infer that from the quotes? I am not a gamer so I would never know this. Its domain specific jargon that overlaps with long standing definitions.
      - hunterb123 4y ago
    - bee_rider 4y ago
      Does he use it elsewhere or anything like that? I would call players who expend time in lieu of skill "grinders." "Farming," on the other hand, is often a late-game playstyle which gets the best results (farming for rares to fully equip a build). I mean the necessity to do this can be seen as bad game design, and maybe the players are dummies for picking bad games (although the Diablo and Destiny series are pretty well received), but this sort of thing is required to play at the highest levels...
  - fernandotakai 4y ago
    one of the reasons i LOVED clarkson's farm (jeremy clarkson -- from top gear/grand tour -- series on farming). it showed how absurdly hard farming. comparing software development (which, let's be honest, is super cushy) to farming is insulting.
    - Waterluvian 4y ago

MisterTea 4y ago

I "vehemently agree" but I don't insult farmers or other blue collar workers because that's a shitty thing to do. The author is just an asshole and should be punched in the face by a farmer.

zmxz 4y ago
Why is the author asshole? You don't insult farmers but you won't stoop before insulting the author of microwebsockets. At what point does one assume moral high ground with 100% certainty? It's as if all this hate comes from the inability to read text carefully, without isolating malicious intent first.
- girvo 4y ago
  Insulting an entire group of people, by directly implying that farmers are not skilful or educated, is worse than insulting the person who made the insult in the first place.
  - codeguro 4y ago
    Insulting, whether at an individual or at a group, is a lowly, immoral act in of itself despite one being slightly better than the other.
  - zmxz 4y ago
    But he didn't insult crop farmers, he placed the word in quotes. A "farmer" (note the double quotes) is a gaming/internet culture term that denotes someone who does repetitive, boring tasks in order to accumulate some kind of value. I'm pretty certain that intelligent people who comment here are aware of it, but are using mental gymnastics in order to justify the insults they'll direct towards the author of microwebsockets. Is that not hypocrisy in its finest form?
    - orf 4y ago
      No, because an old and crusty term like that isn’t common knowledge anymore.
      - hunterb123 4y ago
        You're saying that gaming term is "crusty and old" therefore your misinterpretation of his statement and your emotional outrage is justified? What is the cutoff date for terms we can use that won't confuse and emotionally outrage you?
        orf 4y ago
        I’m clearly saying, like others are in this thread, that just because you associate calling someone a “farmer” with an anachronistic gaming term doesn’t mean that almost everyone will read it in a different way, nor does it mean that your interpretation is correct. ‘What do you do for a job?’ ‘I’m a farmer’ ‘Oh right what’s the best quest to farm on in WOW?’ Said nobody ever. It reads very poorly, in short.
        hunterb123 4y ago
        Why do you think he put it in quotes? Did you read the full context, or just rage at the cut out sentence that someone else here provided to you? It's very clear in long form what he was talking about. He has no control of people taking one sentence out of a long opinion that he has written. It's up to you to inform yourself before joining the mob and sharpening your pitchfork.
        orf 4y ago
        > Why do you think he put it in quotes? Because they are not actually farmers, but have similar negative stereotypical traits? Why are you so eager to accuse everyone of blind rage? I read the whole thing. It’s bog standard “these kids on my lawn” stuff which isn’t worth any brain power discussing. However, you not being able to understand why people didn’t assign some convoluted meaning to the word farmer is quite interesting.
Waterluvian 4y ago
The author should be a farmer for a season and we can live stream their crying and incompetence for charity.
- hunterb123 4y ago
  - MisterTea 4y ago
    > Some of you need to learn how to read, or learn how to not get so emotional. How is anyone supposed to infer that from the quotes? I am not a gamer so I would never know this. Its domain specific jargon that overlaps with long standing definitions.
    - hunterb123 4y ago
  - bee_rider 4y ago
    Does he use it elsewhere or anything like that? I would call players who expend time in lieu of skill "grinders." "Farming," on the other hand, is often a late-game playstyle which gets the best results (farming for rares to fully equip a build). I mean the necessity to do this can be seen as bad game design, and maybe the players are dummies for picking bad games (although the Diablo and Destiny series are pretty well received), but this sort of thing is required to play at the highest levels...
- fernandotakai 4y ago
  one of the reasons i LOVED clarkson's farm (jeremy clarkson -- from top gear/grand tour -- series on farming). it showed how absurdly hard farming. comparing software development (which, let's be honest, is super cushy) to farming is insulting.
  - Waterluvian 4y ago