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I did this twice today. 1st time: "after the initial HR screening and meeting with Dept head, you will have 4 interviews with 4 of our engineers" (expressvpn)

I did this twice today. 1st time: "after the initial HR screening and meeting with Dept head, you will have 4 interviews with 4 of our engineers" (expressvpn) 2nd time: "please tick to confirm your data being shared for the purpose of automated application processing" (crossover) F!#k this job market.

littlelady 4y ago
I'm in the same situation. One company that was interested in me would have offered me a junior position as a "full-stack" dev, that should also be able to do "some embedded work". Also they don't "track hours", which is illegal in my country. Jumping through hoops during the process has also left a sour taste in my mouth.Even after spending hours on an application, cover letter, customizing my CV, often no response comes. Even a form letter would be better than nothing! It feels like I'm sending a part of myself into the void.
tomp 4y ago
Excuse my naivety, but what is wrong with these processes? Would you rather they use your data without your consent? 4 interviews sounds reasonable, and also useful for you to meet the team
- Jochim 4y ago
  It's more like 6 once you include the HR screen and Department head meetings. 4 interviews seems totally unnecessary in itself. Especially if they were all 1 hour or more. Their current process would take 4-6 hours and that's only if they don't have any take home technical tests. 1) Quick phone chat 2) Technical interview - Either review or carry out technical test. 3) Team interview Even then the team and technical interviews can be doubled up and the phone chat can easily be cut out entirely.
- bigDinosaur 4y ago
  4 hours doesn't seem reasonable to me for anywhere that's not top tier. How many interviews would you consider unreasonable?
  - briga 4y ago
    4-5 hours of interviews seems pretty standard even for companies you’ve never heard of. Nowadays every tech company pretends like they’re FAANG, and then they complain about how hard it is to hire new devs. As if the Leetcode rigamarole weren’t bad enough every company expects you to do 7 interviews. Finding a tech job is a full-time job in itself
    - ghaff 4y ago
      Even interviewing out of school way back when, 4 or 5 interviews seemed pretty normal for all sorts of different roles whether or not there was a phone screen/on-campus interview. And, of course, this was all in-person so you're probably talking a couple days especially if you consider some modicum of research about the company. More recently, aside from a very small company, the few interviews I've had it's been a fairly standard 4 interviews or so panel after whatever initial contacts I had with people I knew.
      - PainfullyNormal 4y ago
        When is "way back when?" 2007-2011, the interview consisted of one or two hours in person on location. That's it. 20 minutes with HR, 20 minutes with the hiring manager, 20 minutes at the whiteboard, 20 minutes with a VP/CTO/CEO and you were done. Segments were often ended early because you were taking up a conference room, so there was an incentive to keep things brief and at a brisk pace. I'm not saying the in-person experience was superior or inferior to how it is now, but it was considerate of everybody's time.
        zeroonetwothree 4y ago
        I interviewed at around 10 companies in 2009 and all were 4+ hours. These were all Bay Area startups or FANG.
        PainfullyNormal 4y ago
        Mine were all bay area startups too. No FAANG. Crazy.
- 5350-uiop-1130 4y ago
  > Would you rather they use your data without your consent? the wording was different, it was meant as we will filter your application automatically based on the data you provide, are you ok with that y/n

littlelady 4y ago

I'm in the same situation. One company that was interested in me would have offered me a junior position as a "full-stack" dev, that should also be able to do "some embedded work". Also they don't "track hours", which is illegal in my country. Jumping through hoops during the process has also left a sour taste in my mouth.Even after spending hours on an application, cover letter, customizing my CV, often no response comes. Even a form letter would be better than nothing! It feels like I'm sending a part of myself into the void.

tomp 4y ago

Excuse my naivety, but what is wrong with these processes? Would you rather they use your data without your consent? 4 interviews sounds reasonable, and also useful for you to meet the team

Jochim 4y ago
It's more like 6 once you include the HR screen and Department head meetings. 4 interviews seems totally unnecessary in itself. Especially if they were all 1 hour or more. Their current process would take 4-6 hours and that's only if they don't have any take home technical tests. 1) Quick phone chat 2) Technical interview - Either review or carry out technical test. 3) Team interview Even then the team and technical interviews can be doubled up and the phone chat can easily be cut out entirely.
bigDinosaur 4y ago
4 hours doesn't seem reasonable to me for anywhere that's not top tier. How many interviews would you consider unreasonable?
- briga 4y ago
  4-5 hours of interviews seems pretty standard even for companies you’ve never heard of. Nowadays every tech company pretends like they’re FAANG, and then they complain about how hard it is to hire new devs. As if the Leetcode rigamarole weren’t bad enough every company expects you to do 7 interviews. Finding a tech job is a full-time job in itself
  - ghaff 4y ago
    Even interviewing out of school way back when, 4 or 5 interviews seemed pretty normal for all sorts of different roles whether or not there was a phone screen/on-campus interview. And, of course, this was all in-person so you're probably talking a couple days especially if you consider some modicum of research about the company. More recently, aside from a very small company, the few interviews I've had it's been a fairly standard 4 interviews or so panel after whatever initial contacts I had with people I knew.
    - PainfullyNormal 4y ago
      When is "way back when?" 2007-2011, the interview consisted of one or two hours in person on location. That's it. 20 minutes with HR, 20 minutes with the hiring manager, 20 minutes at the whiteboard, 20 minutes with a VP/CTO/CEO and you were done. Segments were often ended early because you were taking up a conference room, so there was an incentive to keep things brief and at a brisk pace. I'm not saying the in-person experience was superior or inferior to how it is now, but it was considerate of everybody's time.
      - zeroonetwothree 4y ago
        I interviewed at around 10 companies in 2009 and all were 4+ hours. These were all Bay Area startups or FANG.
        PainfullyNormal 4y ago
        Mine were all bay area startups too. No FAANG. Crazy.
5350-uiop-1130 4y ago
> Would you rather they use your data without your consent? the wording was different, it was meant as we will filter your application automatically based on the data you provide, are you ok with that y/n