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Depends. In quite a few Australian states, any chemical that is similar in effect to an illicit drug is also an illicit drug. Yes it's a ridiculous law. In Quee

by girvo 4y ago

Depends. In quite a few Australian states, any chemical that is similar in effect to an illicit drug is also an illicit drug. Yes it's a ridiculous law. In Queensland: > The definition of a dangerous drug (s 4 Drugs Misuse Act) includes synthetic or analogue drugs that: - have a chemical structure substantially similar to a drug in the schedules to the Regulation (or a salt, derivative or stereo-isomer thereof) - have a pharmacological effect substantially similar to those drugs - are intended to have a pharmacological effect that is substantially similar to those drugs. If I recall the legislation correctly, those are OR, not AND.

CaptainZapp 4y ago
According to a travel guide the licking of toads is illegal in Queensland[0] due to its psychoactive properties. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cane_toad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cane_toad
- reacweb 4y ago
  This gives another perspective to fairy tales.
- Trouble_007 4y ago
  'Cane Toads: An Unnatural History' (1988) - IMDb : https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0130529/ https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0130529/ 'Cane Toads: An Unnatural History' : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cane_Toads:_An_Unnatural_History https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cane_Toads:_An_Unnatural_His... >'Cane Toads: An Unnatural History' site:youtube.com< : <https://html.duckduckgo.com/html/?q='Cane Toads: An Unnatural History' site:youtube.com https://html.duckduckgo.com/html/?q='Cane Toads: An Unnatura...>
- moe091 4y ago
  Is it just psychoactive toads, or can I continue to lick normal toads there?
  - girvo 4y ago
    Just the psychoactive ones. Go nuts with other toads, as long as they are not native though: they have protections too
    - Trouble_007 4y ago
      Bufotoxin : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bufotoxin https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bufotoxin Toad Toxins : https://www.erowid.org/animals/toads/toads_health1.shtml https://www.erowid.org/animals/toads/toads_health1.shtml
fazfq 4y ago
If the purpose of the law is to make psychoactive substances illegal, what would be ridiculous it would be to ban them one by one as they pop up (and they will never stop popping up)
- seppel 4y ago
  That is, quite interestingly, what Germany is doing with LSD-like substances. They banned, in this order with 1 year between, 1p-LSD, 1cp-LCD, and 1v-LSD. 1d-LSD is currently (openly and seemily legaly) sold in Berlin.
YPPH 4y ago
Hardly a ridiculous law. It would be ridiculous if you could evade the law by making trivial changes to chemical composition, which is what was happening before the law was amended.
- girvo 4y ago
  Except it hasn’t worked. The point of those laws are to discourage drug use, and yet drug use is higher in Australia than nearly anywhere else in the western world, and these analogs are rampant — because their legality or illegality is unimportant to most.
  - YPPH 4y ago
    But that's not the point. That's an argument about drug laws in general.
eru 4y ago
> - are intended to have a pharmacological effect that is substantially similar to those drugs. This one is interesting. So if someone with a 'bad intend' creates substance X, then substance X will be banned, even if it has no actual effect that is banned (and even if someone later figures out that it cures cancer)?

by girvo 4y ago

CaptainZapp 4y ago

According to a travel guide the licking of toads is illegal in Queensland[0] due to its psychoactive properties. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cane_toad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cane_toad

reacweb 4y ago
This gives another perspective to fairy tales.
Trouble_007 4y ago
'Cane Toads: An Unnatural History' (1988) - IMDb : https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0130529/ https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0130529/ 'Cane Toads: An Unnatural History' : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cane_Toads:_An_Unnatural_History https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cane_Toads:_An_Unnatural_His... >'Cane Toads: An Unnatural History' site:youtube.com< : <https://html.duckduckgo.com/html/?q='Cane Toads: An Unnatural History' site:youtube.com https://html.duckduckgo.com/html/?q='Cane Toads: An Unnatura...>
moe091 4y ago
Is it just psychoactive toads, or can I continue to lick normal toads there?
- girvo 4y ago
  Just the psychoactive ones. Go nuts with other toads, as long as they are not native though: they have protections too
  - Trouble_007 4y ago
    Bufotoxin : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bufotoxin https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bufotoxin Toad Toxins : https://www.erowid.org/animals/toads/toads_health1.shtml https://www.erowid.org/animals/toads/toads_health1.shtml

fazfq 4y ago

If the purpose of the law is to make psychoactive substances illegal, what would be ridiculous it would be to ban them one by one as they pop up (and they will never stop popping up)

seppel 4y ago
That is, quite interestingly, what Germany is doing with LSD-like substances. They banned, in this order with 1 year between, 1p-LSD, 1cp-LCD, and 1v-LSD. 1d-LSD is currently (openly and seemily legaly) sold in Berlin.

YPPH 4y ago

Hardly a ridiculous law. It would be ridiculous if you could evade the law by making trivial changes to chemical composition, which is what was happening before the law was amended.

girvo 4y ago
Except it hasn’t worked. The point of those laws are to discourage drug use, and yet drug use is higher in Australia than nearly anywhere else in the western world, and these analogs are rampant — because their legality or illegality is unimportant to most.
- YPPH 4y ago
  But that's not the point. That's an argument about drug laws in general.

eru 4y ago

> - are intended to have a pharmacological effect that is substantially similar to those drugs. This one is interesting. So if someone with a 'bad intend' creates substance X, then substance X will be banned, even if it has no actual effect that is banned (and even if someone later figures out that it cures cancer)?