> Does anybody really use those for generic cloud projects though? My impression was that those were geared towards firms who have already bought heavily into t

> Does anybody really use those for generic cloud projects though? My impression was that those were geared towards firms who have already bought heavily into the Oracle/IBM consulting/licensing. You could say the same about Azure. I see a lot of click-next-collect-cheque being done in Azure, only with a browser instead of a desktop wizard.