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> pledges action on steps to enhance Jewish life on campus It seems Jewish life is already thriving on campus - despite being just ~2% of US population, they a

> pledges action on steps to enhance Jewish life on campus It seems Jewish life is already thriving on campus - despite being just ~2% of US population, they are 7/11% of Stanford's undergraduate/graduate students [1]. To put that into perspective, and excluding from analysis the 10% international students, they are 3.9x over-represented among non-international undergraduates, relative to their US population. In contrast, white (including Jewish) undergraduates are only 32.6% of undergraduates, but 57.8% of US population [3]. Meaning non-Jewish whites are 25.6% of undergraduates, making them 0.49x under-represented. So despite a Jewish person having a 7.9x greater chance of getting into Stanford than a non-Jewish white, Stanford's president is apologizing that this disparity isn't even greater. [1] https://www.hillel.org/college-guide/list/record/stanford-university https://www.hillel.org/college-guide/list/record/stanford-un... [2] https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/stanford-university/student-life/diversity/ https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/stanford-university/... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_demographics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_demographics

nemothekid 4y ago
I've feel I've reached a strange line of reasoning here where the OP complained about asian discrimination of college admissions, but the most recent reply seems to imply that asians are also over represented as well (~22% of Stanford, but 6% of US pop). Any time I see this come up it always feels like asian students are being used a cudgel in order increase admissions for white students.
- rayiner 4y ago
  What does "over represented" mean?
  - renewiltord 4y ago
    Dude, he is replying to a comment saying "over-represented among non-international undergraduates, relative to their US population.". I think it doesn't take a Ph.D. in linguistics to comprehend what everyone is saying here: some racial subgroup is represented at x% in total population but at y%>x% in the population under consideration. You can disagree with it, as I do (where I don't expect every non-racial sub-population to show proportions of race corresponding to the total population) but how can you not comprehend what he's saying? Like, you don't understand it? Come on, postulate a few explanations in English for what it could possibly mean.
  - pannSun 4y ago
    In my post, I specifically defined it relative to US population. But what you are implying is correct - in general, "over-represented" is subjective. Had I used only US population with SAT score above some threshold, the numbers would have differed. In fact, it's past the time time to address your question, and start using the term consistently. Stanford themselves boast how "underrepresented minorities" are the fastest growing group [1], without defining the term. Presumably they mean relative to population, but somehow they don't count whites among that group, despite them being, at Stanford, both under-represented and a minority. We would all greatly benefit if, instead of being so coy, they would openly state: "Yes, there are fewer non-Jewish whites than what would be expected from population numbers, but that is because they're just not smart enough." After all, how can the conversation advance, if the participants are dishonest, hiding or ignoring data as is convenient? [1] https://news.stanford.edu/report/2021/12/08/underrepresented-groups-fastest-growing-among-stanfords-graduate-student-population/ https://news.stanford.edu/report/2021/12/08/underrepresented...
    - sgustard 4y ago
      There's literally a definition of under-represented groups in that article. What are they hiding? The whole point is that raw intelligence on some absolute scale (however measured) is not the only factor in admissions.
      - pannSun 4y ago
        Their definition states which groups they consider under-represented, but not the criterion for under-representation. That this criterion is total US population (and not e.g. population with SAT score worthy of Stanford) is implied, not explicit. The implication may be clear to you and I, but the post I replied to was literally asking what over-represented means (what, not who). Presumably they would ask the same of that Stanford article.
- ScottyHops 4y ago
  Discrimination and over-representation could both happen right? Group A is 5% of the overall population, but 15% of the best admissions to a college, and the college ends up being 10% from group A.
  - nemothekid 4y ago
    Fine, but then the reasoning against Jewish students doesn't stand. How can anyone, except for the Stanford admissions office, deduce whether or not Jewish students are over or under represented?
- sgustard 4y ago
  I continue to be amazed at the notion that anyone could walk the grounds of an elite university and conclude they discriminate against Asians. Why not focus on institutions where Asians are actually under-represented? Government, executive suites, Hollywood, sports, music, arts?
  - pknomad 4y ago
    err... because Asians typically have to score higher/better on GPAs, exams, and such to get in than other ethnic groups. Yes, Asians are over-represented in US universities if comparing to the population of the US but are doing so despite the discrimination. Also - grouping all Asian groups is racist in itself. It's implying that Koreans, Chinese, Japanese, Filipinos, Thai, Vietnamese are the same, which is patently false.
  - rayiner 4y ago
    Don't forget your demographic adjustments! The ~5% of Fortune 500 Board seats held by Asians corresponds roughly to the share of the population that's Asians who are citizens, fluent in English, and in the age bracket for that kind of position. As to "Hollywood" and "art"--let white kids waste their lives on such pursuits.
    - gpt5 4y ago
      > As to "Hollywood" and "art"--let white kids waste their lives on such pursuits. This sentence comes out as both racist and elitist at the same time.
      - hahaxdxd123 4y ago
        The HackerNews classic
      - rayiner 4y ago
        Music and art (as careers) are elitist. Those careers didn’t exist in my dad’s third world village.
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nemothekid 4y ago

I've feel I've reached a strange line of reasoning here where the OP complained about asian discrimination of college admissions, but the most recent reply seems to imply that asians are also over represented as well (~22% of Stanford, but 6% of US pop). Any time I see this come up it always feels like asian students are being used a cudgel in order increase admissions for white students.

rayiner 4y ago
What does "over represented" mean?
- renewiltord 4y ago
  Dude, he is replying to a comment saying "over-represented among non-international undergraduates, relative to their US population.". I think it doesn't take a Ph.D. in linguistics to comprehend what everyone is saying here: some racial subgroup is represented at x% in total population but at y%>x% in the population under consideration. You can disagree with it, as I do (where I don't expect every non-racial sub-population to show proportions of race corresponding to the total population) but how can you not comprehend what he's saying? Like, you don't understand it? Come on, postulate a few explanations in English for what it could possibly mean.
- pannSun 4y ago
  In my post, I specifically defined it relative to US population. But what you are implying is correct - in general, "over-represented" is subjective. Had I used only US population with SAT score above some threshold, the numbers would have differed. In fact, it's past the time time to address your question, and start using the term consistently. Stanford themselves boast how "underrepresented minorities" are the fastest growing group [1], without defining the term. Presumably they mean relative to population, but somehow they don't count whites among that group, despite them being, at Stanford, both under-represented and a minority. We would all greatly benefit if, instead of being so coy, they would openly state: "Yes, there are fewer non-Jewish whites than what would be expected from population numbers, but that is because they're just not smart enough." After all, how can the conversation advance, if the participants are dishonest, hiding or ignoring data as is convenient? [1] https://news.stanford.edu/report/2021/12/08/underrepresented-groups-fastest-growing-among-stanfords-graduate-student-population/ https://news.stanford.edu/report/2021/12/08/underrepresented...
  - sgustard 4y ago
    There's literally a definition of under-represented groups in that article. What are they hiding? The whole point is that raw intelligence on some absolute scale (however measured) is not the only factor in admissions.
    - pannSun 4y ago
      Their definition states which groups they consider under-represented, but not the criterion for under-representation. That this criterion is total US population (and not e.g. population with SAT score worthy of Stanford) is implied, not explicit. The implication may be clear to you and I, but the post I replied to was literally asking what over-represented means (what, not who). Presumably they would ask the same of that Stanford article.
ScottyHops 4y ago
Discrimination and over-representation could both happen right? Group A is 5% of the overall population, but 15% of the best admissions to a college, and the college ends up being 10% from group A.
- nemothekid 4y ago
  Fine, but then the reasoning against Jewish students doesn't stand. How can anyone, except for the Stanford admissions office, deduce whether or not Jewish students are over or under represented?
sgustard 4y ago
I continue to be amazed at the notion that anyone could walk the grounds of an elite university and conclude they discriminate against Asians. Why not focus on institutions where Asians are actually under-represented? Government, executive suites, Hollywood, sports, music, arts?
- pknomad 4y ago
  err... because Asians typically have to score higher/better on GPAs, exams, and such to get in than other ethnic groups. Yes, Asians are over-represented in US universities if comparing to the population of the US but are doing so despite the discrimination. Also - grouping all Asian groups is racist in itself. It's implying that Koreans, Chinese, Japanese, Filipinos, Thai, Vietnamese are the same, which is patently false.
- rayiner 4y ago
  Don't forget your demographic adjustments! The ~5% of Fortune 500 Board seats held by Asians corresponds roughly to the share of the population that's Asians who are citizens, fluent in English, and in the age bracket for that kind of position. As to "Hollywood" and "art"--let white kids waste their lives on such pursuits.
  - gpt5 4y ago
    > As to "Hollywood" and "art"--let white kids waste their lives on such pursuits. This sentence comes out as both racist and elitist at the same time.
    - hahaxdxd123 4y ago
      The HackerNews classic
    - rayiner 4y ago
      Music and art (as careers) are elitist. Those careers didn’t exist in my dad’s third world village.
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