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Something similar happened to me. I had a perfect high school GPA, 1540/1600 SAT. Applied to several schools, all of which I was above average score wise Only

Something similar happened to me. I had a perfect high school GPA, 1540/1600 SAT. Applied to several schools, all of which I was above average score wise Only got into flagship state schools that were well below my average SAT The one thing I've learned from this (a valuable lesson): never, ever do the self identification. You'll always get fucked. Self identifying is always a mistake

User23 4y ago
If you don’t self identify you just get binned as white. Putting down mixed race is the standard workaround. It’s vague enough that you’re probably not lying and it avoids being labeled white.
- cr4nberry 4y ago
  Imo we should just ban the practice entirely. The supreme court's about to do it for universities, hopefully employers are next
- laichzeit0 4y ago
  I don’t understand this. Does race or does it not exist? If it does not, you should be able to put down any race when asked, since how can they prove it? If you said you’re black and walk in but clearly your skin tone is fairer than expected, do they have a color palette they hold up to your face and say “nope, sorry you’re too light to be black, or is there a generic test they force you to perform?
  - csa 4y ago
    > do they have a color palette they hold up to your face and say “nope, sorry you’re too light to be black, or is there a generic test they force you to perform? It’s more of a sniff test that is only performed at elite schools or for privileged positions (affirmative action and/or scholarships). I knew a woman who identified as black who was lily-white. It turns out her grandfather (in the south was black), and the locally scandalous out-of-wedlock interracial relationship that produced one of her parents was a big part of her identity and influenced what she studied. She ended up at an elite school. On the other hand, if someone puts a race on the application that doesn’t really match how they look and doesn’t have much in the way of explanation in their application, then I think that interviewers at elite schools would (at a minimum) be curious. This is especially true if the race selected would likely get them some sort of preferred admissions status. With regards to Asians in particular, many (most?) Asians can reasonably put down multi-racial since there has been much racial mixing within Asian over the past few millennia. Whether that jibes in a US elite college application is a different issue. At most schools, unless race confers someone a special status like affirmative action or scholarship eligibility, then no one cares. If someone got in specifically due to an inaccurate claim, then they run the risk of being expelled or even having their degree revoked for unethical behavior.
    - googlryas 4y ago
      Would they really? Was Elizabeth Warren punished by Harvard or UPenn for unethical behavior?
      - iopq 4y ago
        Apparently, she does have some Native American ancestry many many generations back, like a lot of Americans
        googlryas 4y ago
        Well, if that is the case, then it would probably be hard to actually accuse the person of behaving unethically. I'm extremely pasty white, blond hair, blue eyes, Norwegian last name. But 23 and me said that I have 0.1% North African ancestry, or 1 ancestor from ~1600 AD..so African American it is!
      - csa 4y ago
        > Would they really? Was Elizabeth Warren punished by Harvard or UPenn for unethical behavior? Good question. Just because they can doesn't mean they will. As I said elsewhere, I think that the most likely filter for race bamboozlers is in the application process when the stated race and the combination of application, references, and alumni interview does not tell a coherent story. Regarding Warren specifically, I will honestly say that I don't think race mattered very much for her. I know it's a meme in certain circles, but she applied in a very different era, one in which admissions standards were much lower. Being capable and ambitious was probably enough regardless of her race. I could be very wrong about her specific case, but I am certain that the Harvard and Penn of that era was nothing like the Harvard and Penn of today in terms of competitiveness of admissions.
    - notch656a 4y ago
      >then they run the risk of being expelled or even having their degree revoked for unethical behavior. Have either of these actually happened? Someone put an 'innacurate' representation of their 'race' down and that happened? I'm trying to imagine how you could prove it. For instance, some theories hold that humans emigrated from sub-saharan Africa and thus most/all (even Americans) would be technically 'African-American' by some definition of the word. It's my understanding that these forms request your self identified race thus there would be no wrong answer, you merely need to self identify for the second it takes to check the box.
- throwawaymaths 4y ago
  > if you don’t self identify you just get binned as white. Still better than being binned as Asian
- cuteboy19 4y ago
  According to the statistics other is slightly worse than white but much better than asian
0x00000000 4y ago
I had the nearly the exact same stats and situation. Even the mf colorado school of mines rejected me

User23 4y ago

If you don’t self identify you just get binned as white. Putting down mixed race is the standard workaround. It’s vague enough that you’re probably not lying and it avoids being labeled white.

cr4nberry 4y ago
Imo we should just ban the practice entirely. The supreme court's about to do it for universities, hopefully employers are next
laichzeit0 4y ago
I don’t understand this. Does race or does it not exist? If it does not, you should be able to put down any race when asked, since how can they prove it? If you said you’re black and walk in but clearly your skin tone is fairer than expected, do they have a color palette they hold up to your face and say “nope, sorry you’re too light to be black, or is there a generic test they force you to perform?
- csa 4y ago
  > do they have a color palette they hold up to your face and say “nope, sorry you’re too light to be black, or is there a generic test they force you to perform? It’s more of a sniff test that is only performed at elite schools or for privileged positions (affirmative action and/or scholarships). I knew a woman who identified as black who was lily-white. It turns out her grandfather (in the south was black), and the locally scandalous out-of-wedlock interracial relationship that produced one of her parents was a big part of her identity and influenced what she studied. She ended up at an elite school. On the other hand, if someone puts a race on the application that doesn’t really match how they look and doesn’t have much in the way of explanation in their application, then I think that interviewers at elite schools would (at a minimum) be curious. This is especially true if the race selected would likely get them some sort of preferred admissions status. With regards to Asians in particular, many (most?) Asians can reasonably put down multi-racial since there has been much racial mixing within Asian over the past few millennia. Whether that jibes in a US elite college application is a different issue. At most schools, unless race confers someone a special status like affirmative action or scholarship eligibility, then no one cares. If someone got in specifically due to an inaccurate claim, then they run the risk of being expelled or even having their degree revoked for unethical behavior.
  - googlryas 4y ago
    Would they really? Was Elizabeth Warren punished by Harvard or UPenn for unethical behavior?
    - iopq 4y ago
      Apparently, she does have some Native American ancestry many many generations back, like a lot of Americans
      - googlryas 4y ago
        Well, if that is the case, then it would probably be hard to actually accuse the person of behaving unethically. I'm extremely pasty white, blond hair, blue eyes, Norwegian last name. But 23 and me said that I have 0.1% North African ancestry, or 1 ancestor from ~1600 AD..so African American it is!
    - csa 4y ago
      > Would they really? Was Elizabeth Warren punished by Harvard or UPenn for unethical behavior? Good question. Just because they can doesn't mean they will. As I said elsewhere, I think that the most likely filter for race bamboozlers is in the application process when the stated race and the combination of application, references, and alumni interview does not tell a coherent story. Regarding Warren specifically, I will honestly say that I don't think race mattered very much for her. I know it's a meme in certain circles, but she applied in a very different era, one in which admissions standards were much lower. Being capable and ambitious was probably enough regardless of her race. I could be very wrong about her specific case, but I am certain that the Harvard and Penn of that era was nothing like the Harvard and Penn of today in terms of competitiveness of admissions.
  - notch656a 4y ago
    >then they run the risk of being expelled or even having their degree revoked for unethical behavior. Have either of these actually happened? Someone put an 'innacurate' representation of their 'race' down and that happened? I'm trying to imagine how you could prove it. For instance, some theories hold that humans emigrated from sub-saharan Africa and thus most/all (even Americans) would be technically 'African-American' by some definition of the word. It's my understanding that these forms request your self identified race thus there would be no wrong answer, you merely need to self identify for the second it takes to check the box.
throwawaymaths 4y ago
> if you don’t self identify you just get binned as white. Still better than being binned as Asian
cuteboy19 4y ago
According to the statistics other is slightly worse than white but much better than asian

0x00000000 4y ago

I had the nearly the exact same stats and situation. Even the mf colorado school of mines rejected me