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Glad it worked out for you. Asian college applicants have it rough these days. This is the President of Stanford speaking out of both sides of his mouth: 202

Glad it worked out for you. Asian college applicants have it rough these days. This is the President of Stanford speaking out of both sides of his mouth: 2022-10-12: "Stanford apologizes for admissions limits on Jewish students in the 1950s and pledges action on steps to enhance Jewish life on campus". Stanford President Marc Tessier-Lavigne apologized on behalf of the university and pledged action on recommendations in a task force report confirming Stanford limited the admission of Jewish students in the 1950s. https://news.stanford.edu/report/2022/10/12/task-force-report-jewish-admissions-and-jewish-life/ https://news.stanford.edu/report/2022/10/12/task-force-repor... 2022-08-02: Amicus brief filed in support of Harvard and University of North Carolina “A diverse student body enriches the academic experience for all Stanford students,” said Stanford President Marc Tessier-Lavigne. “Considering race as one part of holistic review helps us foster a diverse campus community, one in which all students have the opportunity to learn from each other’s experiences and to think critically about their own views and preconceptions. It also means that Stanford graduates from all backgrounds can go on to bring their unique insights to leadership roles in the government, business, and nonprofit sectors.” https://news.stanford.edu/report/2022/08/02/amicus-brief-filed-support-harvard-university-north-carolina/ https://news.stanford.edu/report/2022/08/02/amicus-brief-fil... Guess which race/ethnicity Stanford is limiting now?

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pannSun 4y ago
> pledges action on steps to enhance Jewish life on campus It seems Jewish life is already thriving on campus - despite being just ~2% of US population, they are 7/11% of Stanford's undergraduate/graduate students [1]. To put that into perspective, and excluding from analysis the 10% international students, they are 3.9x over-represented among non-international undergraduates, relative to their US population. In contrast, white (including Jewish) undergraduates are only 32.6% of undergraduates, but 57.8% of US population [3]. Meaning non-Jewish whites are 25.6% of undergraduates, making them 0.49x under-represented. So despite a Jewish person having a 7.9x greater chance of getting into Stanford than a non-Jewish white, Stanford's president is apologizing that this disparity isn't even greater. [1] https://www.hillel.org/college-guide/list/record/stanford-university https://www.hillel.org/college-guide/list/record/stanford-un... [2] https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/stanford-university/student-life/diversity/ https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/stanford-university/... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_demographics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_demographics
- nemothekid 4y ago
  I've feel I've reached a strange line of reasoning here where the OP complained about asian discrimination of college admissions, but the most recent reply seems to imply that asians are also over represented as well (~22% of Stanford, but 6% of US pop). Any time I see this come up it always feels like asian students are being used a cudgel in order increase admissions for white students.
  - rayiner 4y ago
    What does "over represented" mean?
    - renewiltord 4y ago
      Dude, he is replying to a comment saying "over-represented among non-international undergraduates, relative to their US population.". I think it doesn't take a Ph.D. in linguistics to comprehend what everyone is saying here: some racial subgroup is represented at x% in total population but at y%>x% in the population under consideration. You can disagree with it, as I do (where I don't expect every non-racial sub-population to show proportions of race corresponding to the total population) but how can you not comprehend what he's saying? Like, you don't understand it? Come on, postulate a few explanations in English for what it could possibly mean.
    - pannSun 4y ago
      In my post, I specifically defined it relative to US population. But what you are implying is correct - in general, "over-represented" is subjective. Had I used only US population with SAT score above some threshold, the numbers would have differed. In fact, it's past the time time to address your question, and start using the term consistently. Stanford themselves boast how "underrepresented minorities" are the fastest growing group [1], without defining the term. Presumably they mean relative to population, but somehow they don't count whites among that group, despite them being, at Stanford, both under-represented and a minority. We would all greatly benefit if, instead of being so coy, they would openly state: "Yes, there are fewer non-Jewish whites than what would be expected from population numbers, but that is because they're just not smart enough." After all, how can the conversation advance, if the participants are dishonest, hiding or ignoring data as is convenient? [1] https://news.stanford.edu/report/2021/12/08/underrepresented-groups-fastest-growing-among-stanfords-graduate-student-population/ https://news.stanford.edu/report/2021/12/08/underrepresented...

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> pledges action on steps to enhance Jewish life on campus It seems Jewish life is already thriving on campus - despite being just ~2% of US population, they are 7/11% of Stanford's undergraduate/graduate students [1]. To put that into perspective, and excluding from analysis the 10% international students, they are 3.9x over-represented among non-international undergraduates, relative to their US population. In contrast, white (including Jewish) undergraduates are only 32.6% of undergraduates, but 57.8% of US population [3]. Meaning non-Jewish whites are 25.6% of undergraduates, making them 0.49x under-represented. So despite a Jewish person having a 7.9x greater chance of getting into Stanford than a non-Jewish white, Stanford's president is apologizing that this disparity isn't even greater. [1] https://www.hillel.org/college-guide/list/record/stanford-university https://www.hillel.org/college-guide/list/record/stanford-un... [2] https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/stanford-university/student-life/diversity/ https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/stanford-university/... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_demographics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_demographics

nemothekid 4y ago
I've feel I've reached a strange line of reasoning here where the OP complained about asian discrimination of college admissions, but the most recent reply seems to imply that asians are also over represented as well (~22% of Stanford, but 6% of US pop). Any time I see this come up it always feels like asian students are being used a cudgel in order increase admissions for white students.
- rayiner 4y ago
  What does "over represented" mean?
  - renewiltord 4y ago
    Dude, he is replying to a comment saying "over-represented among non-international undergraduates, relative to their US population.". I think it doesn't take a Ph.D. in linguistics to comprehend what everyone is saying here: some racial subgroup is represented at x% in total population but at y%>x% in the population under consideration. You can disagree with it, as I do (where I don't expect every non-racial sub-population to show proportions of race corresponding to the total population) but how can you not comprehend what he's saying? Like, you don't understand it? Come on, postulate a few explanations in English for what it could possibly mean.
  - pannSun 4y ago
    In my post, I specifically defined it relative to US population. But what you are implying is correct - in general, "over-represented" is subjective. Had I used only US population with SAT score above some threshold, the numbers would have differed. In fact, it's past the time time to address your question, and start using the term consistently. Stanford themselves boast how "underrepresented minorities" are the fastest growing group [1], without defining the term. Presumably they mean relative to population, but somehow they don't count whites among that group, despite them being, at Stanford, both under-represented and a minority. We would all greatly benefit if, instead of being so coy, they would openly state: "Yes, there are fewer non-Jewish whites than what would be expected from population numbers, but that is because they're just not smart enough." After all, how can the conversation advance, if the participants are dishonest, hiding or ignoring data as is convenient? [1] https://news.stanford.edu/report/2021/12/08/underrepresented-groups-fastest-growing-among-stanfords-graduate-student-population/ https://news.stanford.edu/report/2021/12/08/underrepresented...