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This explanation doesn't work for me. Google is behind Android, and there's a ton of android developers. It took off. Google built Golang, and there's a ton o

This explanation doesn't work for me. Google is behind Android, and there's a ton of android developers. It took off. Google built Golang, and there's a ton of Go developers. It took off. Google built Angular and Dart, and they each had much less success and didn't take off. The "Dart isn't popular because it's backed by google" theory doesn't seem sufficient based on the above. A more reasonable theory would be that the answer to "Why isn't X popular" is that the vast majority of things _aren't_ popular. Why isn't D-lang popular? Why isn't Crystal popular? Why didn't Elm take off? None of those are made by google, but it turns out that building a user-base of a programming language is hard no matter what.

scarface74 4y ago
How is Stadia doing? Google Chrome apps? Google Chatbase? Google Poly? Google Loon? Google Fiber (where Google literally left a city’s streets in ruins https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/02/google-fiber-exits-louisville-after-shoddy-installs-left-exposed-wires-in-roads/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/02/googl...), Google Fibrr TV,
- cercatrova 4y ago
  Consumer apps are the ones that are killed off, not developer or B2B products.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    The companies who invested money in Stadia may not have the same opinion. There is also Google Cloud IOT Core, Conversation Actions, Android Things, Google Chatbase, and even the original Angular was abandoned by a completely incompatible framework.
    - cercatrova 4y ago
      > The companies who invested money in Stadia may not have the same opinion. That has no relation to whether something is B2C or B2B. Stadia is a consumer product, ie for consumers. You have a point there about those other ones, but honestly, those are so few and far between that I'm sure you had to search somewhat carefully to find them. I highly doubt many devs were actually using those (besides Angular, but it was replaced with 2+ because React came onto the scene, it didn't get deprecated with no replacement).
      - scarface74 4y ago
        Having an incompatible replacement is cold comfort if you had a codebase written with the original Angular
        cercatrova 4y ago
        Sure but if you're going to go that far, that's basically like saying we shouldn't have breaking releases ever. Sometimes, tech needs to evolve in the face of other threats, like React overtaking Angular.
        scarface74 4y ago
        “Evolving” implies slowly changing to keep it modern. C# “evolved”, Java “evolved”, the C standard library and C++ STL has been “evolving” for decades. But they all maintained backwards compatibility.
        cercatrova 4y ago
        Again, that does not mean backwards compatibility is good. See how bloated C++ is in an effort to keep BC while it should have long ago broken things to be a more lean language.
- caslon 4y ago
  Google Fiber isn't dead; they still regularly do advertisements in US markets. They just haven't grown as fast as Google had hoped.
  - wombatpm 4y ago
    Have any new cities been added in the last 3 years? I think they stopped expanding when the utilities wouldn't give them access to poles and their shallow trenching technology was shown to be a bust. I expect one day they will be sold off to ATT or Verizon

scarface74 4y ago

How is Stadia doing? Google Chrome apps? Google Chatbase? Google Poly? Google Loon? Google Fiber (where Google literally left a city’s streets in ruins https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/02/google-fiber-exits-louisville-after-shoddy-installs-left-exposed-wires-in-roads/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/02/googl...), Google Fibrr TV,

cercatrova 4y ago
Consumer apps are the ones that are killed off, not developer or B2B products.
- scarface74 4y ago
  The companies who invested money in Stadia may not have the same opinion. There is also Google Cloud IOT Core, Conversation Actions, Android Things, Google Chatbase, and even the original Angular was abandoned by a completely incompatible framework.
  - cercatrova 4y ago
    > The companies who invested money in Stadia may not have the same opinion. That has no relation to whether something is B2C or B2B. Stadia is a consumer product, ie for consumers. You have a point there about those other ones, but honestly, those are so few and far between that I'm sure you had to search somewhat carefully to find them. I highly doubt many devs were actually using those (besides Angular, but it was replaced with 2+ because React came onto the scene, it didn't get deprecated with no replacement).
    - scarface74 4y ago
      Having an incompatible replacement is cold comfort if you had a codebase written with the original Angular
      - cercatrova 4y ago
        Sure but if you're going to go that far, that's basically like saying we shouldn't have breaking releases ever. Sometimes, tech needs to evolve in the face of other threats, like React overtaking Angular.
        scarface74 4y ago
        “Evolving” implies slowly changing to keep it modern. C# “evolved”, Java “evolved”, the C standard library and C++ STL has been “evolving” for decades. But they all maintained backwards compatibility.
        cercatrova 4y ago
        Again, that does not mean backwards compatibility is good. See how bloated C++ is in an effort to keep BC while it should have long ago broken things to be a more lean language.
caslon 4y ago
Google Fiber isn't dead; they still regularly do advertisements in US markets. They just haven't grown as fast as Google had hoped.
- wombatpm 4y ago
  Have any new cities been added in the last 3 years? I think they stopped expanding when the utilities wouldn't give them access to poles and their shallow trenching technology was shown to be a bust. I expect one day they will be sold off to ATT or Verizon