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People were rabidly cheering it on too. Police going around shutting playgrounds and arresting parents for playing outdoors with their children, while at the sa

People were rabidly cheering it on too. Police going around shutting playgrounds and arresting parents for playing outdoors with their children, while at the same time the politicians they voted for were constantly and egregiously shown to be flouting the rules on frivolities, parties, travel, fun. And there were excuses for the politicians and bloodlust for the commoner trying to exercise or raise their child. Absolutely flabbergasting. I used to wonder how on earth nazis and communists and the like were able to seize power and control of a population, and now I've seen it. Covid has been a really amazing learning experience for me.

vineyardmike 4y ago
- throwawaylinux 4y ago
  > Citation? This seems like an anti-mandate talking point more than a reality. This isn't in good faith so it's clearly not going to change your opinion about anything. It's trivial to google and it was not an uncommon story in the news over the past few years. Literally the top google result of my first trivial search: https://abcnews.go.com/US/police-officer-arrested-park-throwing-ball-daughter-due/story?id=70032966 https://abcnews.go.com/US/police-officer-arrested-park-throw... > January 6th? Also a bad faith non-sequitur. If you have any actual coherent and rational questions or comments about what I wrote, I am more than happy to talk about it. Sadly you don't appear to be intellectually equipped to cope with pondering these issues though.
spaetzleesser 4y ago
“I used to wonder how on earth nazis and communists and the like were able to seize power and control of a population, and now I've seen it” That’s how the US has worked for a long time. See the war on drugs and mass incarceration, laws against black people and extreme political polarization. There was always a group of “others” that people wanted to get punished. I bet if Trump had been a little smarter he would have got away with a lot more while people cheering him on. But it seems a lot of political institutions are eroding so maybe the next strongman will be able to go way further.
- throwawaylinux 4y ago
  Yes that seems to be how it goes. Drum up irrational fear, lay the blame at the others, create hatred against them, then it becomes almost a self-sustaining mass psychosis. Intellectually I understood that's basically how it works, I guess I just didn't want to believe it. People didn't care that vaccines didn't stop the virus spreading, they didn't care that insignificant transmission occurred due to individuals or small family groups enjoying the outdoors, they didn't care that some people were as irrationally scared of the vaccines as they were of covid. It wasn't about any kind of measured response designed for the real greater good. They wanted to see those hated others suffer and be punished for their heresy and audacity.
  - hotpotamus 4y ago
    Is fear of dying irrational? I mean, it's going to happen to us all anyway, so does it matter if it's via airborne virus or whatever it is that conservatives fear is going to kill them?
    - throwawaylinux 4y ago
      Fear of dying of covid because someone is taking their child to play in a park certainly is.
      - hotpotamus 4y ago
        And was the contagiousness of covid perfectly understood as soon as it was discovered?
        prottog 4y ago
        Certainly by the time vaccine mandates came around, we had a pretty good idea of the contagiousness and lethality of the disease.
        hotpotamus 4y ago
tinus_hn 4y ago
> fun. Its an amazingly corrupting kind of power, the ability to dictate the way others can have fun.
scatters 4y ago
You've got cause and effect backwards. Societies have to overreact to pandemics, because those that didn't got wiped out - eventually. Enforcement of quarantine and similar measures through extreme social norms is a necessary adaptation to the threat of plague; civilization wouldn't be able to exist without it.
- throwawaylinux 4y ago
  No I don't think I do have it backward.
  - scatters 4y ago
    What was the point of writing that?
    - throwawaylinux 4y ago
      It was commensurate with your reply. What exactly is the cause and what is the effect that you think I have backwards?
      - scatters 4y ago
        You think that the authorities are creating an internal enemy to sow division. I am saying that the visceral reaction to plague is an instinctive human universal, not something that has to be cultivated.
        throwawaylinux 4y ago
        > You think that the authorities are creating an internal enemy to sow division. They do and have done so many times throughout history. > I am saying that the visceral reaction to plague is an instinctive human universal, not something that has to be cultivated. Fear is an instinctive response to many things, and that can be and is manipulated.

vineyardmike 4y ago

throwawaylinux 4y ago
> Citation? This seems like an anti-mandate talking point more than a reality. This isn't in good faith so it's clearly not going to change your opinion about anything. It's trivial to google and it was not an uncommon story in the news over the past few years. Literally the top google result of my first trivial search: https://abcnews.go.com/US/police-officer-arrested-park-throwing-ball-daughter-due/story?id=70032966 https://abcnews.go.com/US/police-officer-arrested-park-throw... > January 6th? Also a bad faith non-sequitur. If you have any actual coherent and rational questions or comments about what I wrote, I am more than happy to talk about it. Sadly you don't appear to be intellectually equipped to cope with pondering these issues though.

spaetzleesser 4y ago

“I used to wonder how on earth nazis and communists and the like were able to seize power and control of a population, and now I've seen it” That’s how the US has worked for a long time. See the war on drugs and mass incarceration, laws against black people and extreme political polarization. There was always a group of “others” that people wanted to get punished. I bet if Trump had been a little smarter he would have got away with a lot more while people cheering him on. But it seems a lot of political institutions are eroding so maybe the next strongman will be able to go way further.

throwawaylinux 4y ago
Yes that seems to be how it goes. Drum up irrational fear, lay the blame at the others, create hatred against them, then it becomes almost a self-sustaining mass psychosis. Intellectually I understood that's basically how it works, I guess I just didn't want to believe it. People didn't care that vaccines didn't stop the virus spreading, they didn't care that insignificant transmission occurred due to individuals or small family groups enjoying the outdoors, they didn't care that some people were as irrationally scared of the vaccines as they were of covid. It wasn't about any kind of measured response designed for the real greater good. They wanted to see those hated others suffer and be punished for their heresy and audacity.
- hotpotamus 4y ago
  Is fear of dying irrational? I mean, it's going to happen to us all anyway, so does it matter if it's via airborne virus or whatever it is that conservatives fear is going to kill them?
  - throwawaylinux 4y ago
    Fear of dying of covid because someone is taking their child to play in a park certainly is.
    - hotpotamus 4y ago
      And was the contagiousness of covid perfectly understood as soon as it was discovered?
      - prottog 4y ago
        Certainly by the time vaccine mandates came around, we had a pretty good idea of the contagiousness and lethality of the disease.
        hotpotamus 4y ago

tinus_hn 4y ago

> fun. Its an amazingly corrupting kind of power, the ability to dictate the way others can have fun.

scatters 4y ago

You've got cause and effect backwards. Societies have to overreact to pandemics, because those that didn't got wiped out - eventually. Enforcement of quarantine and similar measures through extreme social norms is a necessary adaptation to the threat of plague; civilization wouldn't be able to exist without it.

throwawaylinux 4y ago
No I don't think I do have it backward.
- scatters 4y ago
  What was the point of writing that?
  - throwawaylinux 4y ago
    It was commensurate with your reply. What exactly is the cause and what is the effect that you think I have backwards?
    - scatters 4y ago
      You think that the authorities are creating an internal enemy to sow division. I am saying that the visceral reaction to plague is an instinctive human universal, not something that has to be cultivated.
      - throwawaylinux 4y ago
        > You think that the authorities are creating an internal enemy to sow division. They do and have done so many times throughout history. > I am saying that the visceral reaction to plague is an instinctive human universal, not something that has to be cultivated. Fear is an instinctive response to many things, and that can be and is manipulated.