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They were fired for cause, namely, insubordination. The resistance to vaccination is entirely political. The mandate was not, but instead in the interests of pu

They were fired for cause, namely, insubordination. The resistance to vaccination is entirely political. The mandate was not, but instead in the interests of public safety and health. Easing the mandate for special cases was a terrible decision. The decision to ease the mandate should be reversed, not the mandate itself. So quickly they've forgotten the piles of bodies of COVID victims in NYC.

xfitm3 4y ago
A growing number of doctors have threatened to withhold treatment from the unvaccinated, sparking backlash from doctors and bioethicists who say such sentiments violate the Hippocratic Oath. Those critics are even more troubled by the silence from professional organizations tasked with upholding medical ethics. The mandate should have never existed.
- Maursault 4y ago
  - gruez 4y ago
    >The mandate was legal. says who? Another commenter has quoted a part of the decision >This Court aggress that the Commissioner cannot enact a term of employment on City employees and has exceeded his scope of authority
  - drak0n1c 4y ago
    Please be careful about spreading misinformation. Vaccines were not widely available until spring of 2021, after the election. Only select few essential healthcare staff were eligible in 2020, and US deliveries began December 14th, 2020.[1] During the 2020 election season you describe it was actually the opponents of President Trump who were encouraging vaccine skepticism.[2] [1] (see HHS timeline) https://www.hhs.gov/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines/index.html https://www.hhs.gov/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines/index.html [2] (see bulleted video hyperlinks): https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/campaign-press-release-fact-kamala-harriss-anti-vaccine-rhetoric-anti-science-and https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/campaign-press-rel...
    - Maursault 4y ago
      Thank you for the correction. the resistance to COVID vaccination coincided with its availability. What was killing Trump supporters was his calling the virus media hype and hosting superspreader events, while he and his wife were among the first vaccinated before he left the White House.
  - benjaminwootton 4y ago
    Nice rant, but as per the ruling [1], I believe it is now scientific and popular concensus that the vaccine barely moves the needle on transmission if at all. At that point, any logic behind mandates vaccinations collapses. [1] “ Being vaccinated does not prevent an individual from contracting or transmitting Covid-19”
    - Maursault 4y ago
      [citation needed] According to the CDC, HHS, Johns-Hopkins and every single medical school, hospital and scientific organization in the US, as well as 224M vaccinated US citizens, the COVID vaccines are effective at preventing severe disease, hospitalization, and death.
      - benjaminwootton 4y ago
        I didn’t claim it wasn’t effective at those things as I’m sure you know. My comment was about effectiveness in reducing infection and transmission. This is the only logical and “potentially” ethical (in some twisted peoples heads) basis for a vaccine mandate. It has now been totally debunked. I literally quoted a linked article issued by the NY Supreme Court for your citation.
        Maursault 4y ago
        > My comment was about effectiveness in reducing infection and transmission. This is not the same as >>> "Being vaccinated does not prevent an individual from contracting or transmitting Covid-19" Being vaccinated does not 100% prevent infection and transmission, but it does reduce the likelihood of infection and transmission by about half. The fact is the vaccines are effective in reducing infection and transmission. Your assertion that "the vaccine barely moves the needle on transmission if at all," is gross exaggeration at best and entirely false at worst. The science of immunology and vaccines is sound and well-established. The risk of adverse effects from vaccines is vanishingly small, while the likely benefit of reduced risk of infection, severity of illness, hospitalization and death is huge. The COVID vaccines are nothing short of a miracle of modern medicine. The only grave problem here is laymen making uninformed medical decisions based solely on political tribalism and failed political ideologies, evangelizing their logically unsound and medically ignorant position, and refusing to cooperate with the interests of public health while needlessly putting themselves and others at significantly increased chances of infection, severe illness and/or death. This is the very definition of anti-social behavior, placing one's ego and whims above the needs of all others, and not caring whether others get sick, suffer and die.
ClumsyPilot 4y ago
> They were fired for cause, namely, insubordination The idea that you can order someone to perform a medical procedure because they work for you is disguisting. Where does this end?
- ezekiel68 4y ago
  Not at all. We require school children to undergo medical procedures before they may participate in city-funded education. The tone of alarm is unwarranted. This is not a slippery slope situation.
  - ls15 4y ago
    > This is not a slippery slope situation. I think it is. Governments aren't that trustworthy if you ask me.
    - Maursault 4y ago
      The paranoia is a bit too late. Emergency powers were established by Congress a century ago, and at least 60 national emergencies have been declared since. In New York State, a state of emergency declaration permits the governor to direct local officials and state agencies, and to suspend state and local law or regulation to facilitate disaster response efforts. If there ever was a slippery slope, it has long since been descended many times.
      - ls15 4y ago
        I am negotiating my life, not the ones of my great-grandparents.
        Maursault 4y ago
        Then you should have been there back in March of 1789. Government is for those who participate, not those who whine about it after the fact. You certainly aren't required to abide by laws or social contract if you don't value the liberties and protections granted by the Constitution and US citizenship.
Blahagun 4y ago
>So quickly they've forgotten the piles of bodies of COVID victims in NYC. What are talking about? What piles of bodies?
tb_technical 4y ago
If you believe that punishing political dissidents is an acceptable way to operate, your just priming your political enemies to become brown shirts.

xfitm3 4y ago

A growing number of doctors have threatened to withhold treatment from the unvaccinated, sparking backlash from doctors and bioethicists who say such sentiments violate the Hippocratic Oath. Those critics are even more troubled by the silence from professional organizations tasked with upholding medical ethics. The mandate should have never existed.

Maursault 4y ago
- gruez 4y ago
  >The mandate was legal. says who? Another commenter has quoted a part of the decision >This Court aggress that the Commissioner cannot enact a term of employment on City employees and has exceeded his scope of authority
- drak0n1c 4y ago
  Please be careful about spreading misinformation. Vaccines were not widely available until spring of 2021, after the election. Only select few essential healthcare staff were eligible in 2020, and US deliveries began December 14th, 2020.[1] During the 2020 election season you describe it was actually the opponents of President Trump who were encouraging vaccine skepticism.[2] [1] (see HHS timeline) https://www.hhs.gov/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines/index.html https://www.hhs.gov/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines/index.html [2] (see bulleted video hyperlinks): https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/campaign-press-release-fact-kamala-harriss-anti-vaccine-rhetoric-anti-science-and https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/campaign-press-rel...
  - Maursault 4y ago
    Thank you for the correction. the resistance to COVID vaccination coincided with its availability. What was killing Trump supporters was his calling the virus media hype and hosting superspreader events, while he and his wife were among the first vaccinated before he left the White House.
- benjaminwootton 4y ago
  Nice rant, but as per the ruling [1], I believe it is now scientific and popular concensus that the vaccine barely moves the needle on transmission if at all. At that point, any logic behind mandates vaccinations collapses. [1] “ Being vaccinated does not prevent an individual from contracting or transmitting Covid-19”
  - Maursault 4y ago
    [citation needed] According to the CDC, HHS, Johns-Hopkins and every single medical school, hospital and scientific organization in the US, as well as 224M vaccinated US citizens, the COVID vaccines are effective at preventing severe disease, hospitalization, and death.
    - benjaminwootton 4y ago
      I didn’t claim it wasn’t effective at those things as I’m sure you know. My comment was about effectiveness in reducing infection and transmission. This is the only logical and “potentially” ethical (in some twisted peoples heads) basis for a vaccine mandate. It has now been totally debunked. I literally quoted a linked article issued by the NY Supreme Court for your citation.
      - Maursault 4y ago
        > My comment was about effectiveness in reducing infection and transmission. This is not the same as >>> "Being vaccinated does not prevent an individual from contracting or transmitting Covid-19" Being vaccinated does not 100% prevent infection and transmission, but it does reduce the likelihood of infection and transmission by about half. The fact is the vaccines are effective in reducing infection and transmission. Your assertion that "the vaccine barely moves the needle on transmission if at all," is gross exaggeration at best and entirely false at worst. The science of immunology and vaccines is sound and well-established. The risk of adverse effects from vaccines is vanishingly small, while the likely benefit of reduced risk of infection, severity of illness, hospitalization and death is huge. The COVID vaccines are nothing short of a miracle of modern medicine. The only grave problem here is laymen making uninformed medical decisions based solely on political tribalism and failed political ideologies, evangelizing their logically unsound and medically ignorant position, and refusing to cooperate with the interests of public health while needlessly putting themselves and others at significantly increased chances of infection, severe illness and/or death. This is the very definition of anti-social behavior, placing one's ego and whims above the needs of all others, and not caring whether others get sick, suffer and die.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago

> They were fired for cause, namely, insubordination The idea that you can order someone to perform a medical procedure because they work for you is disguisting. Where does this end?

ezekiel68 4y ago
Not at all. We require school children to undergo medical procedures before they may participate in city-funded education. The tone of alarm is unwarranted. This is not a slippery slope situation.
- ls15 4y ago
  > This is not a slippery slope situation. I think it is. Governments aren't that trustworthy if you ask me.
  - Maursault 4y ago
    The paranoia is a bit too late. Emergency powers were established by Congress a century ago, and at least 60 national emergencies have been declared since. In New York State, a state of emergency declaration permits the governor to direct local officials and state agencies, and to suspend state and local law or regulation to facilitate disaster response efforts. If there ever was a slippery slope, it has long since been descended many times.
    - ls15 4y ago
      I am negotiating my life, not the ones of my great-grandparents.
      - Maursault 4y ago
        Then you should have been there back in March of 1789. Government is for those who participate, not those who whine about it after the fact. You certainly aren't required to abide by laws or social contract if you don't value the liberties and protections granted by the Constitution and US citizenship.

Blahagun 4y ago

>So quickly they've forgotten the piles of bodies of COVID victims in NYC. What are talking about? What piles of bodies?

tb_technical 4y ago

If you believe that punishing political dissidents is an acceptable way to operate, your just priming your political enemies to become brown shirts.