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Who's saying that test scores are uncorrelated with college graduation, which is largely dependent on passing further tests?

majormajor 4y ago
There's certainly a strong whiff of "is this the right question" to the whole discussion. School and school-adjacent results predict school results. Whoo. Tests are just leetcode for students, after all.
fasthands9 4y ago
Lots of schools are dropping the SAT requirement https://meet.nyu.edu/uncategorized/test-optional-at-nyu-what-it-is-and-isnt/ https://meet.nyu.edu/uncategorized/test-optional-at-nyu-what... https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-03-23/csu-drops-sat-admissions-requirement-in-landmark-move https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-03-23/csu-drop... https://wtop.com/maryland/2022/06/maryland-university-system-drops-sat-act-admissions-requirement/ https://wtop.com/maryland/2022/06/maryland-university-system... I don't know how this works in practice tbh. But it is curious.
- alwayslikethis 4y ago
  It's a strategy to game the rankings. Factors for college rankings often include acceptance rate (lower is better), and average SAT/ACT scores. By not requiring SAT/ACT scores, you do two things at once: 1. you allow more people to apply, especially those who did not take the test or received a poor score, who you can simply reject to bring down your acceptance rate 2. by making it optional, only the applicants who think their score would be an advantage (i.e. those with high scores) would send them, which brings up your "average test scores".
- WillPostForFood 4y ago
  I don't know how this works in practice tbh. We have some evidence from MIT that it is a bad idea to drop testing. https://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/we-are-reinstating-our-sat-act-requirement-for-future-admissions-cycles/ https://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/we-are-reinstating-our...
travisjungroth 4y ago
The post starts with four quotes on that theme.

majormajor 4y ago

There's certainly a strong whiff of "is this the right question" to the whole discussion. School and school-adjacent results predict school results. Whoo. Tests are just leetcode for students, after all.

fasthands9 4y ago

Lots of schools are dropping the SAT requirement https://meet.nyu.edu/uncategorized/test-optional-at-nyu-what-it-is-and-isnt/ https://meet.nyu.edu/uncategorized/test-optional-at-nyu-what... https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-03-23/csu-drops-sat-admissions-requirement-in-landmark-move https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-03-23/csu-drop... https://wtop.com/maryland/2022/06/maryland-university-system-drops-sat-act-admissions-requirement/ https://wtop.com/maryland/2022/06/maryland-university-system... I don't know how this works in practice tbh. But it is curious.

alwayslikethis 4y ago
It's a strategy to game the rankings. Factors for college rankings often include acceptance rate (lower is better), and average SAT/ACT scores. By not requiring SAT/ACT scores, you do two things at once: 1. you allow more people to apply, especially those who did not take the test or received a poor score, who you can simply reject to bring down your acceptance rate 2. by making it optional, only the applicants who think their score would be an advantage (i.e. those with high scores) would send them, which brings up your "average test scores".
WillPostForFood 4y ago
I don't know how this works in practice tbh. We have some evidence from MIT that it is a bad idea to drop testing. https://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/we-are-reinstating-our-sat-act-requirement-for-future-admissions-cycles/ https://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/we-are-reinstating-our...

travisjungroth 4y ago

The post starts with four quotes on that theme.