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Am I the only one who finds something odd about these numbers - 9% are using .NET yet less than 4% are using Visual Studio.NET? My personal observation is somet

Am I the only one who finds something odd about these numbers - 9% are using .NET yet less than 4% are using Visual Studio.NET? My personal observation is something close to 90-100% of .NET developers use VS.NET.

BSousa 15y ago
Not really. I also am baffled by django and rails being top, but then eclipse as ide? And Objective-C being below 5% but Xcode 10%. This just either smells like a load of crap of the survey was done in a very inconsistent manner. (Not giving an option for 'I don't use an IDE' or the likes.
- edge17 15y ago
  Assuming someone was told to do a survey, and didn't care to make sense of the results or doesn't have the background to interpret them... happens in school all the time...
  - tomku 15y ago
    That would be a bit concerning, given that (according to the story), the survey was run by a company whose business is recommending "work apps".
    - edge17 15y ago
      News is sort of a broken industry :) Big misalignment of incentives - everything is about readership and generating traffic. I know plenty of people that write, and very few of them are knowledgable on the subject matter they write about (and they know it). It's just an industry like any other, with a product and a customer. Besides, my business is 'whatever I want it to be.' The scary thing here is, now that it's been reported, it can now be cited as 'fact'
    - scott_s 15y ago
      They probably just asked their users, which is a huge selection bias.
- blhack 15y ago
  I kindof curious how many people use IDEs. I just write everything in VIM.
  - rmc 15y ago
    If I was answering a survey on IDEs, I'd say I use Vim. It's what I use to do something that people use an IDE for, ergo, it's my IDE.
    - scott_s 15y ago
      If someone asks me what I use as my IDE, I say none. IDE stands for integrated development environment. I don't have an integrated development environment. I have a modular development environment. It's called Unix.
      - rmc 15y ago
        Good point. My IDE is bash. Through it I use components and plug ins ("programmes") to edit code, run tests, commit to svn, pull down changes, etc. Bash is my development environment.
  - dextorious 15y ago
    I think most people use IDEs, just as more people (including programmers) use Windows.
dextorious 15y ago
The survey says "the asked 500 leading software developers from around the world". So, this is more about rock-star programmers and such, not people using .NET/VS in the enterprise. Especially as it talks about companies with <= 100 employees. Probably people more like the Miguel De Icaza, Jeff Atwood etc types that probably use Vim/Emacs or such to work with .NET. Even so, so many people using Notepad++? WTF?
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- mbowcock 15y ago
  I'd be surprised to see a large number of 'rock star' devs using Eclipse.
  - dextorious 15y ago
    Well, at least a large number of rock star devs created it, the OTI team was quite influential in its prime, Dave Thomas et al (not of Prag. Programmers fame).
- xer0 15y ago
  "Even so, so many people using Notepad++? WTF?" I've seen more than a handful of really smart developers use notepad, even without the ++. It's always surprising, but there's probably a lesson to learn.
  - johnthedebs 15y ago
    I've seen...really smart developers use notepad...there's probably a lesson to learn. I find that really hard to believe, and I can't imagine what the lesson would be. It's akin to a NASCAR driver driving a Camry. It's true that the tools don't make the dev, but if what you say is true those devs are just hampering themselves.
- jc4p 15y ago
  What's wrong with Notepad++? Notepad++ is the Windows equivalent of Coda or TextMate, it's one of the first things I install every time I'm on a Windows machine. I can get my Notepad++ themes off my source-control and have the exact same look/feel on whatever machine I am, and it has FTP/SFTP, Subversion, and more recently, Git plugins available too. Oh I probably should say that I don't disagree that the survey is very biased (just look at the sample size), but Notepad++ is one of the only few things on that list I'm not shocked to see.
tomku 15y ago
The whole thing is odd. For example, look at the IDE category as a whole. Aptana is a set of plugins for Eclipse, and Selenium IDE is an Firefox plugin "IDE" for a very specific tool/purpose (writing Selenium tests) rather than a generic coding IDE like the rest. Visual Studio should definitely be in there too, given the numbers for .NET and MSSQL. I'm also wondering why GitHub isn't somewhere on here. It seems like it'd fit in several categories ("project management" and "bug tracking" to start), and I have a hard time believing that a demographic composed of 53% Git users and 28% Rails devs would have less than 4% using GitHub for either of those purposes.
tel 15y ago
My general observation is: if they presented the data as an infographic, the methods are broken.

BSousa 15y ago

Not really. I also am baffled by django and rails being top, but then eclipse as ide? And Objective-C being below 5% but Xcode 10%. This just either smells like a load of crap of the survey was done in a very inconsistent manner. (Not giving an option for 'I don't use an IDE' or the likes.

edge17 15y ago
Assuming someone was told to do a survey, and didn't care to make sense of the results or doesn't have the background to interpret them... happens in school all the time...
- tomku 15y ago
  That would be a bit concerning, given that (according to the story), the survey was run by a company whose business is recommending "work apps".
  - edge17 15y ago
    News is sort of a broken industry :) Big misalignment of incentives - everything is about readership and generating traffic. I know plenty of people that write, and very few of them are knowledgable on the subject matter they write about (and they know it). It's just an industry like any other, with a product and a customer. Besides, my business is 'whatever I want it to be.' The scary thing here is, now that it's been reported, it can now be cited as 'fact'
  - scott_s 15y ago
    They probably just asked their users, which is a huge selection bias.
blhack 15y ago
I kindof curious how many people use IDEs. I just write everything in VIM.
- rmc 15y ago
  If I was answering a survey on IDEs, I'd say I use Vim. It's what I use to do something that people use an IDE for, ergo, it's my IDE.
  - scott_s 15y ago
    If someone asks me what I use as my IDE, I say none. IDE stands for integrated development environment. I don't have an integrated development environment. I have a modular development environment. It's called Unix.
    - rmc 15y ago
      Good point. My IDE is bash. Through it I use components and plug ins ("programmes") to edit code, run tests, commit to svn, pull down changes, etc. Bash is my development environment.
- dextorious 15y ago
  I think most people use IDEs, just as more people (including programmers) use Windows.

dextorious 15y ago

The survey says "the asked 500 leading software developers from around the world". So, this is more about rock-star programmers and such, not people using .NET/VS in the enterprise. Especially as it talks about companies with <= 100 employees. Probably people more like the Miguel De Icaza, Jeff Atwood etc types that probably use Vim/Emacs or such to work with .NET. Even so, so many people using Notepad++? WTF?

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mbowcock 15y ago
I'd be surprised to see a large number of 'rock star' devs using Eclipse.
- dextorious 15y ago
  Well, at least a large number of rock star devs created it, the OTI team was quite influential in its prime, Dave Thomas et al (not of Prag. Programmers fame).
xer0 15y ago
"Even so, so many people using Notepad++? WTF?" I've seen more than a handful of really smart developers use notepad, even without the ++. It's always surprising, but there's probably a lesson to learn.
- johnthedebs 15y ago
  I've seen...really smart developers use notepad...there's probably a lesson to learn. I find that really hard to believe, and I can't imagine what the lesson would be. It's akin to a NASCAR driver driving a Camry. It's true that the tools don't make the dev, but if what you say is true those devs are just hampering themselves.
jc4p 15y ago
What's wrong with Notepad++? Notepad++ is the Windows equivalent of Coda or TextMate, it's one of the first things I install every time I'm on a Windows machine. I can get my Notepad++ themes off my source-control and have the exact same look/feel on whatever machine I am, and it has FTP/SFTP, Subversion, and more recently, Git plugins available too. Oh I probably should say that I don't disagree that the survey is very biased (just look at the sample size), but Notepad++ is one of the only few things on that list I'm not shocked to see.

tomku 15y ago

The whole thing is odd. For example, look at the IDE category as a whole. Aptana is a set of plugins for Eclipse, and Selenium IDE is an Firefox plugin "IDE" for a very specific tool/purpose (writing Selenium tests) rather than a generic coding IDE like the rest. Visual Studio should definitely be in there too, given the numbers for .NET and MSSQL. I'm also wondering why GitHub isn't somewhere on here. It seems like it'd fit in several categories ("project management" and "bug tracking" to start), and I have a hard time believing that a demographic composed of 53% Git users and 28% Rails devs would have less than 4% using GitHub for either of those purposes.

tel 15y ago

My general observation is: if they presented the data as an infographic, the methods are broken.