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Because athletes and performers are irreplaceable and bring in tourist revenue which the city wants. Firefighters are more easily replaceable and have no effect

Because athletes and performers are irreplaceable and bring in tourist revenue which the city wants. Firefighters are more easily replaceable and have no effect on tourism. Having competing priorities is common enough, I don't see what doesn't make sense here. The city wants everyone to be vaccinated but it also wants broadway and basketball to be happening more, so they came up with this policy.

throwawaylinux 4y ago
Aren't NYC's financials a basket case though? Surely its politicians don't care much about bringing revenue to the city, rather bringing profit to their friends and families and lobbyists. That is what makes more sense here.
- colinmhayes 4y ago
  My understanding is that a significant number of Yankees were unvaccinated and would not have been able to play home games. There are a significant number of New Yorkers that would’ve been very upset had that come to pass, so politicians acted according to public will and gave them an exception. Does that mean this wasn’t also corruption? No, but it is a reasonable thing to do even without corruption imo.
  - throwawaylinux 4y ago
    You just said it was for revenue to the city though. I'm not really convinced about this new explanation either. I've seen little to no evidence that upsetting significant numbers of people factored into any other decisions around covid response, including the significant number who were upset by the creation of these double standards. I'm going to have to stick with pure and simple corruption as the simplest and most likely explanation, unless there is some extraordinary evidence supporting some other less likely one.
    - colinmhayes 4y ago
      I meant revenue that went to businesses/people in the city, like the general ecosystem not just the government. And a large part of the backlash was from people whose jobs were eliminated until full scale entertainment came back. It was a big deal to tons of people.
      - throwawaylinux 4y ago
        And I meant it's just simple corruption because there is little to no evidence that can be produced which supports the fringe theory that politicians care about the city's finances or what is and is not a big deal to the common people. They care about their finances and those of their friends and lobbyists and donors, so corruption is the simplest and most obvious explanation.
        themitigating 4y ago
        So you say there's no evidence for one theory then offer your own with no evidence?
        throwawaylinux 4y ago
        There is lots of evidence that politicians are corrupt.
chitowneats 4y ago
This is the reason they did it. It's also the reason that most firefighters and others like them do not vote for politicians like Eric Adams. Despite the fact that he's a former police officer.
akira2501 4y ago
> Because athletes and performers are irreplaceable and bring in tourist revenue which the city wants. Firefighters are more easily replaceable and have no effect on tourism. I believe this is the most cynical thing I've read yet today. > I don't see what doesn't make sense here If the Athletes and Performers are so irreplaceable, then wouldn't you demand they be the most protected by the vaccine, and thus require them to have it before you would require the firefighters? They are so replaceable, afterall... > so they came up with this policy. They wanted to force compliance, but then realized there are some people who see themselves as above compliance, so they carved out their own policy in a telling way to kowtow to them. Dollars are replaceable. People aren't. You can't actually be happy to wrap this cynicism around this, can you?
- kortilla 4y ago
  > you demand they be the most protected by the vaccine, and thus require them to have it No, because they will just refuse. That’s the whole problem.
- themitigating 4y ago
  People are replaceable, resources aren't.
- slaw 4y ago
  Are there athletes or performers older than 55 so covid vaccination would have positive effect?
  - viridian 4y ago
    There are certainly some stage performers over 55, but it's a small minority. Patti LaPone is 73 and is still on the stage.
spaetzleesser 4y ago
Why do firefighters have no effect on tourism? Without them you can not run a city. Same for many other jobs like garbage collection.
- sky_rw 4y ago
  Well clearly there is an elite class to whom body autonomy is granted, and an underclass who must follow arbitrary and capricious rules. OP appreciates that celebrities and entertainers are our betters and should not be held to the same standard.
  - throwawaylinux 4y ago
    An attitude which I've found to be curiously pervasive amongst self-proclaimed egalitarians and socialists.
    - VagueMag 4y ago
      FWIW, there was a vocal contingent of Marxists on Twitter who saw the mandates for the erosion of worker power and rights that they were, and vigorously opposed them. Richard Wolff even came around eventually, as well as Jimmy Dore after having his own personal run-in with the nasty side effects which are all too common with these vaccines. Sadly, though, some of the most awful scapegoaters of the unvaccinated were indeed on the "left." Noam Chomsky even said they should be excluded from society completely, and if that meant they couldn't even obtain food, well, that would be their problem.
      - jquery 4y ago
        VagueMag 4y ago
        Tried 5 minutes and it just seemed like the usual "Dore had a different provax position and then changed his mind," and "he doesn't read articles with the pro-vaccine gloss which the commentator would consider 'truthful' ". Some "Dore's position is popular and therefore making him money and therefore a grift" thrown in for good measure. Is there some point in the 50 mins where they actually lay out a case that he faked his vaccine reaction?

throwawaylinux 4y ago

Aren't NYC's financials a basket case though? Surely its politicians don't care much about bringing revenue to the city, rather bringing profit to their friends and families and lobbyists. That is what makes more sense here.

colinmhayes 4y ago
My understanding is that a significant number of Yankees were unvaccinated and would not have been able to play home games. There are a significant number of New Yorkers that would’ve been very upset had that come to pass, so politicians acted according to public will and gave them an exception. Does that mean this wasn’t also corruption? No, but it is a reasonable thing to do even without corruption imo.
- throwawaylinux 4y ago
  You just said it was for revenue to the city though. I'm not really convinced about this new explanation either. I've seen little to no evidence that upsetting significant numbers of people factored into any other decisions around covid response, including the significant number who were upset by the creation of these double standards. I'm going to have to stick with pure and simple corruption as the simplest and most likely explanation, unless there is some extraordinary evidence supporting some other less likely one.
  - colinmhayes 4y ago
    I meant revenue that went to businesses/people in the city, like the general ecosystem not just the government. And a large part of the backlash was from people whose jobs were eliminated until full scale entertainment came back. It was a big deal to tons of people.
    - throwawaylinux 4y ago
      And I meant it's just simple corruption because there is little to no evidence that can be produced which supports the fringe theory that politicians care about the city's finances or what is and is not a big deal to the common people. They care about their finances and those of their friends and lobbyists and donors, so corruption is the simplest and most obvious explanation.
      - themitigating 4y ago
        So you say there's no evidence for one theory then offer your own with no evidence?
        throwawaylinux 4y ago
        There is lots of evidence that politicians are corrupt.

chitowneats 4y ago

This is the reason they did it. It's also the reason that most firefighters and others like them do not vote for politicians like Eric Adams. Despite the fact that he's a former police officer.

akira2501 4y ago

> Because athletes and performers are irreplaceable and bring in tourist revenue which the city wants. Firefighters are more easily replaceable and have no effect on tourism. I believe this is the most cynical thing I've read yet today. > I don't see what doesn't make sense here If the Athletes and Performers are so irreplaceable, then wouldn't you demand they be the most protected by the vaccine, and thus require them to have it before you would require the firefighters? They are so replaceable, afterall... > so they came up with this policy. They wanted to force compliance, but then realized there are some people who see themselves as above compliance, so they carved out their own policy in a telling way to kowtow to them. Dollars are replaceable. People aren't. You can't actually be happy to wrap this cynicism around this, can you?

kortilla 4y ago
> you demand they be the most protected by the vaccine, and thus require them to have it No, because they will just refuse. That’s the whole problem.
themitigating 4y ago
People are replaceable, resources aren't.
slaw 4y ago
Are there athletes or performers older than 55 so covid vaccination would have positive effect?
- viridian 4y ago
  There are certainly some stage performers over 55, but it's a small minority. Patti LaPone is 73 and is still on the stage.

spaetzleesser 4y ago

Why do firefighters have no effect on tourism? Without them you can not run a city. Same for many other jobs like garbage collection.

sky_rw 4y ago
Well clearly there is an elite class to whom body autonomy is granted, and an underclass who must follow arbitrary and capricious rules. OP appreciates that celebrities and entertainers are our betters and should not be held to the same standard.
- throwawaylinux 4y ago
  An attitude which I've found to be curiously pervasive amongst self-proclaimed egalitarians and socialists.
  - VagueMag 4y ago
    FWIW, there was a vocal contingent of Marxists on Twitter who saw the mandates for the erosion of worker power and rights that they were, and vigorously opposed them. Richard Wolff even came around eventually, as well as Jimmy Dore after having his own personal run-in with the nasty side effects which are all too common with these vaccines. Sadly, though, some of the most awful scapegoaters of the unvaccinated were indeed on the "left." Noam Chomsky even said they should be excluded from society completely, and if that meant they couldn't even obtain food, well, that would be their problem.
    - jquery 4y ago
      - VagueMag 4y ago
        Tried 5 minutes and it just seemed like the usual "Dore had a different provax position and then changed his mind," and "he doesn't read articles with the pro-vaccine gloss which the commentator would consider 'truthful' ". Some "Dore's position is popular and therefore making him money and therefore a grift" thrown in for good measure. Is there some point in the 50 mins where they actually lay out a case that he faked his vaccine reaction?