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How will they offset the emissions that are harmful, but not carbon, from the aluminum refining process most their products use and the diesel used to ship coun

How will they offset the emissions that are harmful, but not carbon, from the aluminum refining process most their products use and the diesel used to ship countless cargo containers of their products? Do they just pretend that the emissions from their likely hundreds of parts suppliers don't count? What do they intend to do about their products having a short lived lifespan and then are thrown away or sent to the third world for a horrific "recycling" process. I am going to guess if I took a bunch of iPhones, ground them up in a blender and then filtered water through it no Apple exec would drink it. Planting trees is great and all, but this is hilariously misleading. Just seems like a big distraction.

carstenhag 4y ago
About the diesel: it's mentioned indirectly in the post. Of course there are going to be co2 emissions caused by the products. The factor, even the workers are causing co2. Some of it is unavoidable and they recognize this. Still a lot can be saved. What can't be saved by Apple('s partners) will be saved by avoiding to burn oil, wood, etc in poorer countries, offsetting the co2. This is how many companies already call their products co2 neutral (by offsets) right now. By contrast: other companies (Stripe) invest in co2 capture, but this is wildly less efficient than offsets.
kieranmaine 4y ago
> Do they just pretend that the emissions from their likely hundreds of parts suppliers don't count? Their 2022 Environment Impact Progress report (https://www.apple.com/environment/pdf/Apple_Environmental_Progress_Report_2022.pdf https://www.apple.com/environment/pdf/Apple_Environmental_Pr...) includes scopes 3 emissions which covers emissions from suppliers (see page 84). > What do they intend to do about their products having a short lived lifespan and then are thrown away or sent to the third world for a horrific "recycling" process. Pages 49 + 50 contain information on their approach to recycling. I haven't read it all but a skim appears to show they're thinking about how to improve recycling processes. No idea how harmful their recycling approaches are to health.

carstenhag 4y ago

About the diesel: it's mentioned indirectly in the post. Of course there are going to be co2 emissions caused by the products. The factor, even the workers are causing co2. Some of it is unavoidable and they recognize this. Still a lot can be saved. What can't be saved by Apple('s partners) will be saved by avoiding to burn oil, wood, etc in poorer countries, offsetting the co2. This is how many companies already call their products co2 neutral (by offsets) right now. By contrast: other companies (Stripe) invest in co2 capture, but this is wildly less efficient than offsets.

kieranmaine 4y ago

> Do they just pretend that the emissions from their likely hundreds of parts suppliers don't count? Their 2022 Environment Impact Progress report (https://www.apple.com/environment/pdf/Apple_Environmental_Progress_Report_2022.pdf https://www.apple.com/environment/pdf/Apple_Environmental_Pr...) includes scopes 3 emissions which covers emissions from suppliers (see page 84). > What do they intend to do about their products having a short lived lifespan and then are thrown away or sent to the third world for a horrific "recycling" process. Pages 49 + 50 contain information on their approach to recycling. I haven't read it all but a skim appears to show they're thinking about how to improve recycling processes. No idea how harmful their recycling approaches are to health.