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Firing people for a vaccination status will probably be remembered in a very dark light, both legally and morally.

by sn0w_crash 4y ago

satisfice 4y ago
Anti-vaxxers will be remembered with disgust and incomprehension.
- ben_w 4y ago
  Now now, be kind. The pushers of antivaxx perhaps, but even then the meme itself (bear with me) is strong enough that there were numerous enough anti-vaxxers to make a difference (and I'm not just counting COVID here). For why the meme alone makes it important to be kind: Just because I can only explain the pushers with conflict theory and neo-phobia, and just because I find those things to be incomprehensible, (1) sane people can still be convinced by such people (my MMR was delayed because whatshisname did actually get published), and (2) it's common enough to count as part of the human condition.
  - satisfice 4y ago
    I don't think I understand your point. But I like that you are kind. Still, kindness doesn't stop bank robbers, scammers, violent criminals, and I don't hold any hope that it will stop anti-vaxxers.
jleyank 4y ago
Then I guess that's it for requiring vaccination to attend school (which I thought was a thing for decades)? Or, is it just the Covid vaccines that were evil? I'm old enough to have had all of the childhood diseases in childhood, with pneumonia and an ulcer thrown in (grade school was stressful I guess). Skip all of the vaccines and boosters you want, but be prepared for a couple of years of concern about sick kids. And some of the effects can last a lifetime.
- mwint 4y ago
  > Or, is it just the Covid vaccines that were evil? “Evil” is the wrong word, and is an attempt to simplify ad absurdum the reasons someone might not want the vaccine. These are some of the things that the Covid vaccines were, which those other vaccines aren’t: - Months old - New technology, more or less - Subject to strange, changing messaging: it’ll protect you, then it won’t, then don’t wear a mask, then do, then maybe it won’t protect others, then there’s a (first, second) booster required and you still need a mask. This can all be explained by science, I’m sure. But it’s disingenuous to pretend nothing was unique about the Covid vaccine to give people legitimate pause.
  - mcphage 4y ago
    Of course, in the future mRNA vaccines won’t be new technology at all, and so people rejecting them will probably be remember similarly to people who refused to wear seatbelts when they were new.
    - tunap 4y ago
      Maybe! The fact that everyone "knows" that doesn't is the 1st concern. Even scientists are not clear on efficacy or long term beneficial/averse effects. Nobody knows why all previous mRNA vaccines were ineffective, yet, the Covid jabs are. Lots of questions still remain.
      - jleyank 4y ago
        What previous mRNA vaccines? And it’s being used to deploy cancer treatments. If it can use the body’s mechanisms to make drug matter rather than dosing, think of the efficiency. Particularly outside the richest countries. We make all sorts of things medical and otherwise by adapting biochemistry. Nobody seemed to mind before.
        tunap 4y ago
        The reason the majority of people didn't mind before is because testing & trials were stringently enforced. I, myself, have had numerous vaccines, required & optional. Previous post edit: Freudian slip, meant to convey unfavorable, but typed averse. >The concept of using mRNA to produce useful proteins to fight disease has been around for decades. But until now, no vaccines using this technology have made it this far in clinical trials. The success of the SARS-CoV-2 vaccines “is really good for the RNA field, because until very recently, there were just a handful of people who really believed in mRNA vaccines,” https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/the-promise-of-mrna-vaccines-68202 https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/the-promise-of-mr...

Firing people for a vaccination status will probably be remembered in a very dark light, both legally and morally.

satisfice 4y ago

Anti-vaxxers will be remembered with disgust and incomprehension.

ben_w 4y ago
Now now, be kind. The pushers of antivaxx perhaps, but even then the meme itself (bear with me) is strong enough that there were numerous enough anti-vaxxers to make a difference (and I'm not just counting COVID here). For why the meme alone makes it important to be kind: Just because I can only explain the pushers with conflict theory and neo-phobia, and just because I find those things to be incomprehensible, (1) sane people can still be convinced by such people (my MMR was delayed because whatshisname did actually get published), and (2) it's common enough to count as part of the human condition.
- satisfice 4y ago
  I don't think I understand your point. But I like that you are kind. Still, kindness doesn't stop bank robbers, scammers, violent criminals, and I don't hold any hope that it will stop anti-vaxxers.

jleyank 4y ago

Then I guess that's it for requiring vaccination to attend school (which I thought was a thing for decades)? Or, is it just the Covid vaccines that were evil? I'm old enough to have had all of the childhood diseases in childhood, with pneumonia and an ulcer thrown in (grade school was stressful I guess). Skip all of the vaccines and boosters you want, but be prepared for a couple of years of concern about sick kids. And some of the effects can last a lifetime.

mwint 4y ago
> Or, is it just the Covid vaccines that were evil? “Evil” is the wrong word, and is an attempt to simplify ad absurdum the reasons someone might not want the vaccine. These are some of the things that the Covid vaccines were, which those other vaccines aren’t: - Months old - New technology, more or less - Subject to strange, changing messaging: it’ll protect you, then it won’t, then don’t wear a mask, then do, then maybe it won’t protect others, then there’s a (first, second) booster required and you still need a mask. This can all be explained by science, I’m sure. But it’s disingenuous to pretend nothing was unique about the Covid vaccine to give people legitimate pause.
- mcphage 4y ago
  Of course, in the future mRNA vaccines won’t be new technology at all, and so people rejecting them will probably be remember similarly to people who refused to wear seatbelts when they were new.
  - tunap 4y ago
    Maybe! The fact that everyone "knows" that doesn't is the 1st concern. Even scientists are not clear on efficacy or long term beneficial/averse effects. Nobody knows why all previous mRNA vaccines were ineffective, yet, the Covid jabs are. Lots of questions still remain.
    - jleyank 4y ago
      What previous mRNA vaccines? And it’s being used to deploy cancer treatments. If it can use the body’s mechanisms to make drug matter rather than dosing, think of the efficiency. Particularly outside the richest countries. We make all sorts of things medical and otherwise by adapting biochemistry. Nobody seemed to mind before.
      - tunap 4y ago
        The reason the majority of people didn't mind before is because testing & trials were stringently enforced. I, myself, have had numerous vaccines, required & optional. Previous post edit: Freudian slip, meant to convey unfavorable, but typed averse. >The concept of using mRNA to produce useful proteins to fight disease has been around for decades. But until now, no vaccines using this technology have made it this far in clinical trials. The success of the SARS-CoV-2 vaccines “is really good for the RNA field, because until very recently, there were just a handful of people who really believed in mRNA vaccines,” https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/the-promise-of-mrna-vaccines-68202 https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/the-promise-of-mr...