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This means that the employees of said supply chain companies will come to work by bicycle and will eat only food made with organic fertilisers? All this greenw

This means that the employees of said supply chain companies will come to work by bicycle and will eat only food made with organic fertilisers? All this greenwashing brouhaha makes me regret the times when all capitalists were greedy capitalists, not hypocrites. You can successfully fight capitalist greed, it's much more difficult to fight this, whatever this is.

kiliantics 4y ago
I think the same approach applies -- organised labour through direct action and mutual aid
FredPret 4y ago
Greedy capitalists + carbon tax = less carbon * assuming you can implement a carbon tax on all carbon actually emitted
- paganel 4y ago
  > carbon tax And going by the definition of greediness, that tax will be passed almost entirely to the non-greedy "proletariat". Which is why I find this "fight" against climate change fought by the West to be so harmful, it's enough to look at the incomes of those who are in its front lines to know whose material interests will be protected first and foremost.
  - FredPret 4y ago
    > proletariat Please stop using class-warfare terms. It's very 1850 and is unproductive. > non-greedy If they are mammals or any biological organism, they are greedy, even if they hide it well. If the carbon tax is simply passed to the consumer, this will have exactly the intended effect. People will pick the cheapest products and we'll end up with an economy that's optimizing for the most efficient ways of lowering carbon.
    - paganel 4y ago
      > Please stop using class-warfare terms. It's very 1850 and is unproductive. Why should I “stop” that? Do you think we’re at the classless level already? Because we’re definitely not, hence why saying things like “class talk is stuff from the past” comes from pure class privilege. > People will pick the cheapest products and we'll end u What’s cheaper than basic bread and basic cooking oil? Because the prices for those two have certainly gone up thanks to all the EGS craziness of “let’s not invest in fossil fuels anymore!”. Again, this type of speech and ignoring all these basic aspects comes from class privilege alone.

kiliantics 4y ago

I think the same approach applies -- organised labour through direct action and mutual aid

FredPret 4y ago

Greedy capitalists + carbon tax = less carbon * assuming you can implement a carbon tax on all carbon actually emitted

paganel 4y ago
> carbon tax And going by the definition of greediness, that tax will be passed almost entirely to the non-greedy "proletariat". Which is why I find this "fight" against climate change fought by the West to be so harmful, it's enough to look at the incomes of those who are in its front lines to know whose material interests will be protected first and foremost.
- FredPret 4y ago
  > proletariat Please stop using class-warfare terms. It's very 1850 and is unproductive. > non-greedy If they are mammals or any biological organism, they are greedy, even if they hide it well. If the carbon tax is simply passed to the consumer, this will have exactly the intended effect. People will pick the cheapest products and we'll end up with an economy that's optimizing for the most efficient ways of lowering carbon.
  - paganel 4y ago
    > Please stop using class-warfare terms. It's very 1850 and is unproductive. Why should I “stop” that? Do you think we’re at the classless level already? Because we’re definitely not, hence why saying things like “class talk is stuff from the past” comes from pure class privilege. > People will pick the cheapest products and we'll end u What’s cheaper than basic bread and basic cooking oil? Because the prices for those two have certainly gone up thanks to all the EGS craziness of “let’s not invest in fossil fuels anymore!”. Again, this type of speech and ignoring all these basic aspects comes from class privilege alone.