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Disappointing there's no explicit mention of shipping here, which is almost certainly a huge part of things and an area where a big mover could make a big diffe

Disappointing there's no explicit mention of shipping here, which is almost certainly a huge part of things and an area where a big mover could make a big difference for an entire industry.

harikb 4y ago
Do you mean packaging or shipping? While packaging is on the heavy side, I always find alternate uses for those apple boxes :)
Jyaif 4y ago
> no explicit mention of shipping here, which is almost certainly a huge part of things It's not. We ship food from half way around the world and still make a profit, so the shipping cost are very low. And very low cost implies low carbon emissions.
- alphabetting 4y ago
  Not sure about that. I read one mega container ship produces produces the same amount of pollution as 50 million cars and emissions from 15 match those from all the cars in the world
  - sct202 4y ago
    That figure is specifically for sulfur emissions which could be reduced very quickly by using low sulfur fuel.
  - ianburrell 4y ago
    That's pollution in general, not carbon dioxide. Ships used to use extremely dirty bunker oil which produced a lot of sulfur dioxide. But there were new limits introduced in 2020 on sulfur in fuel oil that should drop the pollution.
- macintux 4y ago
  > And very low cost implies low carbon emissions. Given how terrible we are at incorporating externalities into costs, I'm very skeptical.
kieranmaine 4y ago
Their 2022 Environment Impact Progress report (https://www.apple.com/environment/pdf/Apple_Environmental_Pr https://www.apple.com/environment/pdf/Apple_Environmental_Pr...) includes scopes 3 emissions which covers emissions from shipping (see page 84). Page 11: "we model our emissions across the entire life cycle of our products — including the sourcing of raw materials, manufacturing, shipping, product use, and end-of-life processing" Page 85 contains information on how they model emissions transportation: "To model transportation, we use data collected on shipments of single products and multipack units by land, sea, and air. We account for transporting materials between manufacturing sites; transporting products from manufacturing sites to regional distribution hubs; transporting products from regional distribution hubs to individual customers; and transporting products from final customers to recycling facilities."

Disappointing there's no explicit mention of shipping here, which is almost certainly a huge part of things and an area where a big mover could make a big difference for an entire industry.

harikb 4y ago

Do you mean packaging or shipping? While packaging is on the heavy side, I always find alternate uses for those apple boxes :)

Jyaif 4y ago

> no explicit mention of shipping here, which is almost certainly a huge part of things It's not. We ship food from half way around the world and still make a profit, so the shipping cost are very low. And very low cost implies low carbon emissions.

alphabetting 4y ago
Not sure about that. I read one mega container ship produces produces the same amount of pollution as 50 million cars and emissions from 15 match those from all the cars in the world
- sct202 4y ago
  That figure is specifically for sulfur emissions which could be reduced very quickly by using low sulfur fuel.
- ianburrell 4y ago
  That's pollution in general, not carbon dioxide. Ships used to use extremely dirty bunker oil which produced a lot of sulfur dioxide. But there were new limits introduced in 2020 on sulfur in fuel oil that should drop the pollution.
macintux 4y ago
> And very low cost implies low carbon emissions. Given how terrible we are at incorporating externalities into costs, I'm very skeptical.

kieranmaine 4y ago

Their 2022 Environment Impact Progress report (https://www.apple.com/environment/pdf/Apple_Environmental_Pr https://www.apple.com/environment/pdf/Apple_Environmental_Pr...) includes scopes 3 emissions which covers emissions from shipping (see page 84). Page 11: "we model our emissions across the entire life cycle of our products — including the sourcing of raw materials, manufacturing, shipping, product use, and end-of-life processing" Page 85 contains information on how they model emissions transportation: "To model transportation, we use data collected on shipments of single products and multipack units by land, sea, and air. We account for transporting materials between manufacturing sites; transporting products from manufacturing sites to regional distribution hubs; transporting products from regional distribution hubs to individual customers; and transporting products from final customers to recycling facilities."