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So game doesn't have a definition either? > There is no win condition in Tetris Uh... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_O3Oaz2bos https://www.youtube.com/watc

by dolni 4y ago

So game doesn't have a definition either? > There is no win condition in Tetris Uh... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_O3Oaz2bos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_O3Oaz2bos. Also, I am not sure how you would have a tournament for a game with no win condition. > arguably there's little to no input into Progress Quest. I don't think most people would categorize Progress Quest as a game.

socialismisok 4y ago
Yes, one Tetris implementation ends. Most are play till you lose. But there are whole genres of games that you can't win. Minecraft creative mode, the Sims, most MMOs, Cities Skylines, etc etc etc. And Wikipedia considers progress quest a game, I consider it a game, and the author considers it a game. It might be fairly called a zero player game, but I think it's reasonable to apply the label game.
- dolni 4y ago
  > But there are whole genres of games that you can't win. Minecraft creative mode, the Sims, most MMOs, Cities Skylines, etc etc etc. These are all games that you set your own goals and achieve them. When the player runs out of goals for themselves, they stop playing. Sounds like a win condition to me. Just set by a different person. > And Wikipedia considers progress quest a game, I consider it a game, and the author considers it a game. It might be fairly called a zero player game, but I think it's reasonable to apply the label game. I could find a whole bunch of people to say the earth is flat. So what? I don't consider it a game. What makes the author any more right about that than me?
socialismisok 4y ago
Game does have a definition. They are unique from other media in the use of input and visual output. But "game" is a huge, ambiguous umbrella term that encompasses a ton of experiences. It's a bit like "story" or "song" or "movie" - there's a lot of stuff that could accept those labels, and some of it is going to be real avant garde.

by dolni 4y ago

socialismisok 4y ago

Yes, one Tetris implementation ends. Most are play till you lose. But there are whole genres of games that you can't win. Minecraft creative mode, the Sims, most MMOs, Cities Skylines, etc etc etc. And Wikipedia considers progress quest a game, I consider it a game, and the author considers it a game. It might be fairly called a zero player game, but I think it's reasonable to apply the label game.

dolni 4y ago
> But there are whole genres of games that you can't win. Minecraft creative mode, the Sims, most MMOs, Cities Skylines, etc etc etc. These are all games that you set your own goals and achieve them. When the player runs out of goals for themselves, they stop playing. Sounds like a win condition to me. Just set by a different person. > And Wikipedia considers progress quest a game, I consider it a game, and the author considers it a game. It might be fairly called a zero player game, but I think it's reasonable to apply the label game. I could find a whole bunch of people to say the earth is flat. So what? I don't consider it a game. What makes the author any more right about that than me?

socialismisok 4y ago

Game does have a definition. They are unique from other media in the use of input and visual output. But "game" is a huge, ambiguous umbrella term that encompasses a ton of experiences. It's a bit like "story" or "song" or "movie" - there's a lot of stuff that could accept those labels, and some of it is going to be real avant garde.