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Is there any argument to be made that it's impossible to meet efficiency or emissions standards without this stuff? I've always been extremely against this stu

by anm89 4y ago

Is there any argument to be made that it's impossible to meet efficiency or emissions standards without this stuff? I've always been extremely against this stuff. I'd be interested to hear a good faith defense of the other side

briHass 4y ago
The article is light on examples, but it talks about an 'alignment' which requires special tools because of: >Newer cars have advanced driver-assistance systems, which can keep cars in their lane, detect blind spots, and avoid collisions—functions that require a car to have a firm grasp of where it is in space. That requires repairers to calibrate the sensors and cameras in a car underpinning those advanced systems. I can't speak for all of those systems, but things like 'electronic stability control' (required in 2011) saves an estimated 2000+ lives every year. Fuel injection is obviously a huge advantage over carburetors for reliability, fuel efficiency, and squeezing more power out of an engine. Even relatively simple systems like these require numerous sensors, computer-units, and aren't easy to diagnose/fix for a shade tree mechanic with basic tools.
- sidewndr46 4y ago
  I don't really think ABS or ESC actually saves lives. Instead of making driving safer, we adjust our driving habits such that the overall risk remains the same.
  - Eavolution 4y ago
    Yesterday some nutcase was doing about 100mph when me and other cars were doing about 50, he undertook a car in the right lane who was behind me but didnt realise there was a car in the right lane in front of me (I was in left, UK roads so left is driving lane). All is hear is the absolute screeching of brakes, if that car didn't have ABS theres no way he'd have kept it straight, and itd have probably gone into the side of me
- anm89 4y ago
  Yeah. I mean the line feels a bit arbitrary. I'm certainly not against fuel injection or even having an ECU. The stability control stuff I guess I'd want to talk to a mechanic and understand if it comes with a maintenance or quality burden. It seems like a lot of what's being sold today goes way past these points though. Just an impression

by anm89 4y ago

briHass 4y ago

The article is light on examples, but it talks about an 'alignment' which requires special tools because of: >Newer cars have advanced driver-assistance systems, which can keep cars in their lane, detect blind spots, and avoid collisions—functions that require a car to have a firm grasp of where it is in space. That requires repairers to calibrate the sensors and cameras in a car underpinning those advanced systems. I can't speak for all of those systems, but things like 'electronic stability control' (required in 2011) saves an estimated 2000+ lives every year. Fuel injection is obviously a huge advantage over carburetors for reliability, fuel efficiency, and squeezing more power out of an engine. Even relatively simple systems like these require numerous sensors, computer-units, and aren't easy to diagnose/fix for a shade tree mechanic with basic tools.

sidewndr46 4y ago
I don't really think ABS or ESC actually saves lives. Instead of making driving safer, we adjust our driving habits such that the overall risk remains the same.
- Eavolution 4y ago
  Yesterday some nutcase was doing about 100mph when me and other cars were doing about 50, he undertook a car in the right lane who was behind me but didnt realise there was a car in the right lane in front of me (I was in left, UK roads so left is driving lane). All is hear is the absolute screeching of brakes, if that car didn't have ABS theres no way he'd have kept it straight, and itd have probably gone into the side of me
anm89 4y ago
Yeah. I mean the line feels a bit arbitrary. I'm certainly not against fuel injection or even having an ECU. The stability control stuff I guess I'd want to talk to a mechanic and understand if it comes with a maintenance or quality burden. It seems like a lot of what's being sold today goes way past these points though. Just an impression