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Because then it's no longer minimal. And as mentioned there's a Python version. This isn't a "real program", as such. It's a demo or "rainy Sunday fun to figur

Because then it's no longer minimal. And as mentioned there's a Python version. This isn't a "real program", as such. It's a demo or "rainy Sunday fun to figure out a bit how X11 works".

inetknght 4y ago
> Because then it's no longer minimal. C "might" be minimal but it brings with it a whole lot of dangerous baggage. Other languages can be just as minimal without the baggage. > This isn't a "real program", as such. It's a demo I didn't mean to imply anything different. I was just curious why C was used in the modern day where we (all?) know that C is a language that _should not_ be used for demoing because less experienced devs will think they can use C too and continue to create dangerous code
- glouwbug 4y ago
  C is fine. It’s the programmer that makes mistakes
  - inetknght 4y ago
    But that's exactly my point! Other languages help to prevent the programmer from making mistakes that are common in C
- Beltalowda 4y ago
  > why C was used in the modern day /* TinyWM is written by Nick Welch <mack@incise.org>, 2005. * * This software is in the public domain * and is provided AS IS, with NO WARRANTY. \*/ > we (all?) know that C is a language that _should not_ be used for demoing because less experienced devs will think they can use C too and continue to create dangerous code That seems rather patronizing. I have no great love for C; it has sharp edges for sure, but it can be used just fine for a great many things even today. I've written a bunch of C programs because it's simple, straight-forward, "just works" (mostly), and I'm not writing OpenSSL or a network daemon so if I have an occasional buffer overflow it's not even a big deal.
- anthk 4y ago
  CWM written in C works better over the years. Compiling C++ software from 2004-2007 can be a nightmare. Also, on C, please, get OpenBSD and check their security practices.
  - tengwar2 4y ago
    Pff, that's modern C. K&R C was a bit more of a challenge. I wonder if there's any of my old industrial code on QNX still in operation? I wrote it in the early 90's after ANSI C was available as the ANSI compiler didn't interwork with the GUI.
- jimjimjim 4y ago
  C is fine. Leave it alone

Because then it's no longer minimal. And as mentioned there's a Python version. This isn't a "real program", as such. It's a demo or "rainy Sunday fun to figure out a bit how X11 works".

inetknght 4y ago

> Because then it's no longer minimal. C "might" be minimal but it brings with it a whole lot of dangerous baggage. Other languages can be just as minimal without the baggage. > This isn't a "real program", as such. It's a demo I didn't mean to imply anything different. I was just curious why C was used in the modern day where we (all?) know that C is a language that _should not_ be used for demoing because less experienced devs will think they can use C too and continue to create dangerous code

glouwbug 4y ago
C is fine. It’s the programmer that makes mistakes
- inetknght 4y ago
  But that's exactly my point! Other languages help to prevent the programmer from making mistakes that are common in C
Beltalowda 4y ago
> why C was used in the modern day /* TinyWM is written by Nick Welch <mack@incise.org>, 2005. * * This software is in the public domain * and is provided AS IS, with NO WARRANTY. \*/ > we (all?) know that C is a language that _should not_ be used for demoing because less experienced devs will think they can use C too and continue to create dangerous code That seems rather patronizing. I have no great love for C; it has sharp edges for sure, but it can be used just fine for a great many things even today. I've written a bunch of C programs because it's simple, straight-forward, "just works" (mostly), and I'm not writing OpenSSL or a network daemon so if I have an occasional buffer overflow it's not even a big deal.
anthk 4y ago
CWM written in C works better over the years. Compiling C++ software from 2004-2007 can be a nightmare. Also, on C, please, get OpenBSD and check their security practices.
- tengwar2 4y ago
  Pff, that's modern C. K&R C was a bit more of a challenge. I wonder if there's any of my old industrial code on QNX still in operation? I wrote it in the early 90's after ANSI C was available as the ANSI compiler didn't interwork with the GUI.
jimjimjim 4y ago
C is fine. Leave it alone