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As a counterpoint, I don’t want to download apps when webapps suffice. I appreciate when a right click gives me the options I’m hoping for rather than a set of

As a counterpoint, I don’t want to download apps when webapps suffice. I appreciate when a right click gives me the options I’m hoping for rather than a set of generic Chrome actions that aren’t what I want. I also appreciate when copying works how I want it to (e.g. copy paste in google docs or Figma work as I expect it to, including all styles). And hijacking browser history doesn’t seem to me like it adds much exposure, because the attack vector is still there without browser support (when a user enters your site, auto redirect to google.mydomain.com, which then auto redirects to your content. Back button now will return you to google.mydomain.com without relying on custom browser back button shenanigans) Disclaimer: I work for Figma.

placatedmayhem 4y ago
This is why I mention Chrome's web apps. I see these as a reasonable middle ground. They are a relatively low barrier to entry and could be used as a way to allow the user to opt into app-like behavior. Sites that the user hasn't opted into wouldn't have these abilities. As another commenter mentions, I'm more likely to disable Javascript by default rather than continue to allow it's abuse. I suspect I'm in the minority though. Double-redirect attacks not withstanding...
warent 4y ago
Your post seems to suggest that you feel Figma is a prime example of how webapps are sufficient over desktop/mobile apps. Yet Figma actually does offer desktop/mobile apps so I'm a bit confused by how Figma helps make your point haha
- sangnoir 4y ago
  > Yet Figma actually does offer desktop/mobile apps so I'm a bit confused by how Figma helps make your point haha Im not parent, but given a choice between native app & web app, I'd take the browser. That it's possible at all to have parity is amazing
- bigyikes 4y ago
  I’d wager that the web app is far more popular than the desktop app, and that the web app is one of the primary reasons for Figma’s runaway success. I work for a company that uses Figma and I haven’t seen anyone use the desktop app. I didn’t even know there was one.
lmm 4y ago
If a webpage implements something perfectly, it enhances the experience. E.g. webpages that mess with scrolling - maybe for 20% of sites that do this it makes them 20% better, but 80% of sites that do it become 80% worse. I'm not sure the benefits of allowing the Figmas of this world to offer a good app experience outweigh the costs of putting the same tools in the hands of every shitty news site.

placatedmayhem 4y ago

This is why I mention Chrome's web apps. I see these as a reasonable middle ground. They are a relatively low barrier to entry and could be used as a way to allow the user to opt into app-like behavior. Sites that the user hasn't opted into wouldn't have these abilities. As another commenter mentions, I'm more likely to disable Javascript by default rather than continue to allow it's abuse. I suspect I'm in the minority though. Double-redirect attacks not withstanding...

warent 4y ago

Your post seems to suggest that you feel Figma is a prime example of how webapps are sufficient over desktop/mobile apps. Yet Figma actually does offer desktop/mobile apps so I'm a bit confused by how Figma helps make your point haha

sangnoir 4y ago
> Yet Figma actually does offer desktop/mobile apps so I'm a bit confused by how Figma helps make your point haha Im not parent, but given a choice between native app & web app, I'd take the browser. That it's possible at all to have parity is amazing
bigyikes 4y ago
I’d wager that the web app is far more popular than the desktop app, and that the web app is one of the primary reasons for Figma’s runaway success. I work for a company that uses Figma and I haven’t seen anyone use the desktop app. I didn’t even know there was one.

lmm 4y ago

If a webpage implements something perfectly, it enhances the experience. E.g. webpages that mess with scrolling - maybe for 20% of sites that do this it makes them 20% better, but 80% of sites that do it become 80% worse. I'm not sure the benefits of allowing the Figmas of this world to offer a good app experience outweigh the costs of putting the same tools in the hands of every shitty news site.