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We really need to continue this conversation over email. The egg of the phoenix piece is spectacular. One of the things I really like about the work that the L
by areoform 4y ago
We really need to continue this conversation over email. The egg of the phoenix piece is spectacular.
One of the things I really like about the work that the Long Now Foundation has done and does is that they've defined their threat model and retrieval requirements with precision. They're okay with things being inconvenient to retrieve in the short term as long as they can be retrieved by beings with extremely different tooling in the long-term.
I think depending on the model, the threat form can change. The implicit assumption that I was thinking about while trying to come up with a "solution" (I did emphasize that it's a solution, and not even a good one at that, just my stab at it) was that the information would be for the world of 2070. Or, 2080.
I chose that for two reasons, one was that a lot of people have done long-term things, and depending on how long-term you go, you start getting into really interesting territory. And the second is that there's a need to start from a positive place/assumption (i.e. it's implicitly baked in that our civilization will still be around and kicking at said time without a catastrophic collapse) to make it more relatable for the reader so that they're likely to do something. Even if that something is a half-hearted attempt at documenting their personal projects with a higher degree of fidelity.
Depending on the threat model, the following would change,
- the information encoded/form of encoding
- how many copies would be necessary
- maintenance specs
(the LoC was used as an example as their entire being is a shrine to American and human endeavor, but it's tied to the health of the US as a whole)
I don't have the answer to the fascinating question that you've mentioned. I need to think about it more and we should continue this conversation. Lemme know how I can connect. I'm available via twitter etc. (see profile)
- kragen 4y agoHey, thanks! I'd like that very much too. I hope you didn't feel I was attacking your thoughts on solutions, which I think are interesting and worthwhile; I was just pointing out the likely relevance of catastrophic forgetting. Send me an email that says "areoform".