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I don't think it is laudable. I'd love to move to Singapore or Tokyo where none of this drug culture is perpetuated. Under the hood, this is a way to get party

I don't think it is laudable. I'd love to move to Singapore or Tokyo where none of this drug culture is perpetuated. Under the hood, this is a way to get party votes by instituting state dependency at tax payer's expense. It is all terrible politics. See our immigration policy. It is vote-making machinery.

wing-_-nuts 4y ago
I guess your point of view on this really hinges on whether you think the state should help or punish homelessness. If you're really trying to do the most good for your citizens, getting them into mental health and drug treatment is massively less costly and than leaving the matter to your police and emergency departments. If you think that the role of the state is to simply punish, and any sort of larger scale intervention is nanny state big government, then yeah I can see how you would favor harsher treatment. In my personal view, I don't think that helping fosters dependence. If anything, that help can be a safety net which allows them to get back on their feet and prosper. I started out my adult life on SSI disability. I got federal grants which helped me pay for my education, and trust me when I say that the state reaped a huge return on their investment when you look at the taxes I've paid over the course of my career in comparison to their initial investment. My experience definitely colours my world view.
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  I think the idea would be to not let homelessness happen in the first place and having strict drug laws that would severely punish people who engage in drugs. Soft-on-drug policies do not work and we've been told lies for last 30 years. The results are extremely clear. The only answer to that doesn't have to be some socialist state of affairs. Plenty of highly capitalistic societies work fine, in fact evidently far better than instituting California-style socialist state. The whole mechanism is meant to gain votes. There is no humanity here. We have the same interests, to make better and productive citizens. Legalizing marijuana and normalizing hard drugs are doing the opposite. In next 20 years, we are going to find out the disasters of legalizing marijuana from the standpoint of GDP per capita. It is going to decline as population revels in lethargy and lack of productivity.
  - wing-_-nuts 4y ago
    So you think harsher criminal sentences for drugs is the answer to reducing homelessness? Have you not seen the broader consequences of the war on drugs since the 1970's? All one has to do is to look to Portugal as a great counter example of this. Let's be real. The real issue isn't drug use or homelessness. Both of those are deeply rooted in mental health issues, and those aren't getting better without treatment. Regardless, you've got the right to your own opinion, so I'll wish you well and leave it there.
    - systemvoltage 4y ago
      Yes. We need much more incarceration that’s proportional to crime rate. We need Federal forces to step in and evacuate SF and Portland. They’re inhabitable. This is not sustainable. The answer to increase in crime isn’t to become even softer on it. We’ve tried that since 1970’s.

wing-_-nuts 4y ago

I guess your point of view on this really hinges on whether you think the state should help or punish homelessness. If you're really trying to do the most good for your citizens, getting them into mental health and drug treatment is massively less costly and than leaving the matter to your police and emergency departments. If you think that the role of the state is to simply punish, and any sort of larger scale intervention is nanny state big government, then yeah I can see how you would favor harsher treatment. In my personal view, I don't think that helping fosters dependence. If anything, that help can be a safety net which allows them to get back on their feet and prosper. I started out my adult life on SSI disability. I got federal grants which helped me pay for my education, and trust me when I say that the state reaped a huge return on their investment when you look at the taxes I've paid over the course of my career in comparison to their initial investment. My experience definitely colours my world view.

systemvoltage 4y ago
I think the idea would be to not let homelessness happen in the first place and having strict drug laws that would severely punish people who engage in drugs. Soft-on-drug policies do not work and we've been told lies for last 30 years. The results are extremely clear. The only answer to that doesn't have to be some socialist state of affairs. Plenty of highly capitalistic societies work fine, in fact evidently far better than instituting California-style socialist state. The whole mechanism is meant to gain votes. There is no humanity here. We have the same interests, to make better and productive citizens. Legalizing marijuana and normalizing hard drugs are doing the opposite. In next 20 years, we are going to find out the disasters of legalizing marijuana from the standpoint of GDP per capita. It is going to decline as population revels in lethargy and lack of productivity.
- wing-_-nuts 4y ago
  So you think harsher criminal sentences for drugs is the answer to reducing homelessness? Have you not seen the broader consequences of the war on drugs since the 1970's? All one has to do is to look to Portugal as a great counter example of this. Let's be real. The real issue isn't drug use or homelessness. Both of those are deeply rooted in mental health issues, and those aren't getting better without treatment. Regardless, you've got the right to your own opinion, so I'll wish you well and leave it there.
  - systemvoltage 4y ago
    Yes. We need much more incarceration that’s proportional to crime rate. We need Federal forces to step in and evacuate SF and Portland. They’re inhabitable. This is not sustainable. The answer to increase in crime isn’t to become even softer on it. We’ve tried that since 1970’s.