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The introduction of the hybrid interface in Windows 8 was the beginning of the end. The new 'Setup' versus the old Control Panel and how there's some crossover,

The introduction of the hybrid interface in Windows 8 was the beginning of the end. The new 'Setup' versus the old Control Panel and how there's some crossover, but not complete. God, they messed things up. Yeah, I think 7 was the last good version. 8.1 was "sorry for 8.0" but the damage was done and the path forward (wonkily sideways and backwards) was set.

gtirloni 4y ago
> The introduction of the hybrid interface in Windows 8 was the beginning of the end What's this end your are taking about? People day that about every new version of Windows at least since the 95 release and it doesn't seem to be happening.
- somebehemoth 4y ago
  I took this comment to mean that "for this person" it was the beginning of the end. I feel the same way. Windows 8 and onward got really weird really fast for a lot of people who used Windows for decades. I'm not saying the old style is better for everyone, just me.
  - BLKNSLVR 4y ago
    I actually meant it globally, but if I was a better person I would have meant it "for me, personally" ;) > I'm not saying the old style is better for everyone, just me I'm on the same page. But also, I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with getting used to the new interface, except it doesn't show all the things the old interface had, some of which I use(d) frequently enough to be annoyed about their absence, meaning that I'd have to go back to the old interface, in turn meaning that I can't yet forget the old to make brain-space for the new. I find this infuriating, possibly because it highlights my brain's personal tech-debt; some kind of "curse of knowing".
    - somebehemoth 4y ago
      I agree with your "curse of knowing" sentiment. Learning new things is much more fun when new things are demonstrably better. I don't think that many of the changes to Windows since version 8 are demonstrably better. Thank you for taking my comment in the way I intended.
tenebrisalietum 4y ago
This is one reason I really like Linux and the BSDs. There is a total separation of UI from OS, and due to the command line heritage of UNIX, strong functionality is available without a desktop environment at all. This is also another reason the web has taken over from the desktop.

gtirloni 4y ago

> The introduction of the hybrid interface in Windows 8 was the beginning of the end What's this end your are taking about? People day that about every new version of Windows at least since the 95 release and it doesn't seem to be happening.

somebehemoth 4y ago
I took this comment to mean that "for this person" it was the beginning of the end. I feel the same way. Windows 8 and onward got really weird really fast for a lot of people who used Windows for decades. I'm not saying the old style is better for everyone, just me.
- BLKNSLVR 4y ago
  I actually meant it globally, but if I was a better person I would have meant it "for me, personally" ;) > I'm not saying the old style is better for everyone, just me I'm on the same page. But also, I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with getting used to the new interface, except it doesn't show all the things the old interface had, some of which I use(d) frequently enough to be annoyed about their absence, meaning that I'd have to go back to the old interface, in turn meaning that I can't yet forget the old to make brain-space for the new. I find this infuriating, possibly because it highlights my brain's personal tech-debt; some kind of "curse of knowing".
  - somebehemoth 4y ago
    I agree with your "curse of knowing" sentiment. Learning new things is much more fun when new things are demonstrably better. I don't think that many of the changes to Windows since version 8 are demonstrably better. Thank you for taking my comment in the way I intended.

tenebrisalietum 4y ago

This is one reason I really like Linux and the BSDs. There is a total separation of UI from OS, and due to the command line heritage of UNIX, strong functionality is available without a desktop environment at all. This is also another reason the web has taken over from the desktop.