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I get why this would be incredibly annoying to a nudist, but I can’t really see a path forward that works for nudists and non nudists in this context.

qubex 4y ago
Of corse I’m aware that I’m representing a minority concern and I’m well aware that as matters and principles currently stand we’re in a mutually irreconcilable situation. I’m not saying every effort should be abandoned. I’m just saying that it would be mightily nice if those in decision making positions with regard to these issues and initiatives took the existence of this small and derided demographic into account occasionally.
- sweetheart 4y ago
  That’s fair!
- shadowgovt 4y ago
  When the goal is to create a service with 100% uptake, one can't optimize for the minority position, especially if the majority finds it objectionable. So what you're looking for if you want something like that is a developer that is not optimizing to get 100% uptake. That's tricky to find, because the people with money always want 100% uptake.
  - qubex 4y ago
    It can’t have a target of “100% uptake” if it’s deliberately excluding some tiny but nonzero proportion of those who might otherwise subscribe. That’s the bombastic reply anyway. The more subtle and nuanced response is this is not a comparable situation because it’s not that developers are ignoring a small demographic, it’s that they’re deliberately working to make the environment actively hostile for that mini-demographic.
    - shadowgovt 4y ago
      > It can’t have a target of “100% uptake” if it’s deliberately excluding some tiny but nonzero proportion of those who might otherwise subscribe. Targets are always aspirational. "100% uptake" just means "As many users as possible." > they’re deliberately working to make the environment actively hostile for that mini-demographic. Yes. This is because the larger demographic has made clear that they don't want to share the room with the other demographic and they will leave if forced to.
  - yosito 4y ago
    At one point, a promise of the internet was to optimize for the long tail of niche interests and viewpoints.
    - shadowgovt 4y ago
      I think the internet, as a whole, still does. Individual pages and sites (even the mega-sized ones, like Facebook and Twitter) don't.
capableweb 4y ago
> but I can’t really see a path forward that works for nudists and non nudists in this context The very comment thread your comment is in describes a method that would work for both. > on the sender's side, show a warning before sending that the image appears to be in bad taste and asking for confirmation, then on the receiver's side, hiding the image behind a warning that it may be unwanted and showing two buttons, "show image" and "unmatch". https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33326990 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33326990
- qubex 4y ago
  That method certainly doesn’t work because it is absolutely predicated upon discrimination not respect.
evolvingstuff 4y ago
Easy. Have a setting where someone can consent to (or not) receiving images that may potentially have nudity in them.
- sweetheart 4y ago
  What about nudists who want unsolicited nude pictures of their friends enjoying dinner together, but not unsolicited dick pics?

qubex 4y ago

Of corse I’m aware that I’m representing a minority concern and I’m well aware that as matters and principles currently stand we’re in a mutually irreconcilable situation. I’m not saying every effort should be abandoned. I’m just saying that it would be mightily nice if those in decision making positions with regard to these issues and initiatives took the existence of this small and derided demographic into account occasionally.

sweetheart 4y ago
That’s fair!
shadowgovt 4y ago
When the goal is to create a service with 100% uptake, one can't optimize for the minority position, especially if the majority finds it objectionable. So what you're looking for if you want something like that is a developer that is not optimizing to get 100% uptake. That's tricky to find, because the people with money always want 100% uptake.
- qubex 4y ago
  It can’t have a target of “100% uptake” if it’s deliberately excluding some tiny but nonzero proportion of those who might otherwise subscribe. That’s the bombastic reply anyway. The more subtle and nuanced response is this is not a comparable situation because it’s not that developers are ignoring a small demographic, it’s that they’re deliberately working to make the environment actively hostile for that mini-demographic.
  - shadowgovt 4y ago
    > It can’t have a target of “100% uptake” if it’s deliberately excluding some tiny but nonzero proportion of those who might otherwise subscribe. Targets are always aspirational. "100% uptake" just means "As many users as possible." > they’re deliberately working to make the environment actively hostile for that mini-demographic. Yes. This is because the larger demographic has made clear that they don't want to share the room with the other demographic and they will leave if forced to.
- yosito 4y ago
  At one point, a promise of the internet was to optimize for the long tail of niche interests and viewpoints.
  - shadowgovt 4y ago
    I think the internet, as a whole, still does. Individual pages and sites (even the mega-sized ones, like Facebook and Twitter) don't.

capableweb 4y ago

> but I can’t really see a path forward that works for nudists and non nudists in this context The very comment thread your comment is in describes a method that would work for both. > on the sender's side, show a warning before sending that the image appears to be in bad taste and asking for confirmation, then on the receiver's side, hiding the image behind a warning that it may be unwanted and showing two buttons, "show image" and "unmatch". https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33326990 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33326990

qubex 4y ago
That method certainly doesn’t work because it is absolutely predicated upon discrimination not respect.

evolvingstuff 4y ago

Easy. Have a setting where someone can consent to (or not) receiving images that may potentially have nudity in them.

sweetheart 4y ago
What about nudists who want unsolicited nude pictures of their friends enjoying dinner together, but not unsolicited dick pics?