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> rare as it might be, there are people of both genders who actually enjoy receiving unsolicited nudes I’m a nudist. I don’t enjoy receiving “unsolicited nudes

by qubex 4y ago

> rare as it might be, there are people of both genders who actually enjoy receiving unsolicited nudes I’m a nudist. I don’t enjoy receiving “unsolicited nudes” but a lot of acquaintances from that zone of my life do send photographs that sometimes depict them undressed in pursuit of whatever activity it is they’re depicting — usually the body in the picture is not the point of the exercise. This just impedes the day-to-day communication of some folks. Imagine if Instagram were bought up by fundamentalists and suddenly implemented a filter that blocks all photographs of women who are not wearing headscarves. It’s just yet another frustrating obstacle to overcome put in place by prudes.

sweetheart 4y ago
I get why this would be incredibly annoying to a nudist, but I can’t really see a path forward that works for nudists and non nudists in this context.
- qubex 4y ago
  Of corse I’m aware that I’m representing a minority concern and I’m well aware that as matters and principles currently stand we’re in a mutually irreconcilable situation. I’m not saying every effort should be abandoned. I’m just saying that it would be mightily nice if those in decision making positions with regard to these issues and initiatives took the existence of this small and derided demographic into account occasionally.
  - sweetheart 4y ago
    That’s fair!
  - shadowgovt 4y ago
    When the goal is to create a service with 100% uptake, one can't optimize for the minority position, especially if the majority finds it objectionable. So what you're looking for if you want something like that is a developer that is not optimizing to get 100% uptake. That's tricky to find, because the people with money always want 100% uptake.
    - qubex 4y ago
      It can’t have a target of “100% uptake” if it’s deliberately excluding some tiny but nonzero proportion of those who might otherwise subscribe. That’s the bombastic reply anyway. The more subtle and nuanced response is this is not a comparable situation because it’s not that developers are ignoring a small demographic, it’s that they’re deliberately working to make the environment actively hostile for that mini-demographic.
      - shadowgovt 4y ago
        > It can’t have a target of “100% uptake” if it’s deliberately excluding some tiny but nonzero proportion of those who might otherwise subscribe. Targets are always aspirational. "100% uptake" just means "As many users as possible." > they’re deliberately working to make the environment actively hostile for that mini-demographic. Yes. This is because the larger demographic has made clear that they don't want to share the room with the other demographic and they will leave if forced to.
    - yosito 4y ago
      At one point, a promise of the internet was to optimize for the long tail of niche interests and viewpoints.
      - shadowgovt 4y ago
        I think the internet, as a whole, still does. Individual pages and sites (even the mega-sized ones, like Facebook and Twitter) don't.
- capableweb 4y ago
  > but I can’t really see a path forward that works for nudists and non nudists in this context The very comment thread your comment is in describes a method that would work for both. > on the sender's side, show a warning before sending that the image appears to be in bad taste and asking for confirmation, then on the receiver's side, hiding the image behind a warning that it may be unwanted and showing two buttons, "show image" and "unmatch". https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33326990 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33326990
  - qubex 4y ago
    That method certainly doesn’t work because it is absolutely predicated upon discrimination not respect.
- evolvingstuff 4y ago
  Easy. Have a setting where someone can consent to (or not) receiving images that may potentially have nudity in them.
  - sweetheart 4y ago
    What about nudists who want unsolicited nude pictures of their friends enjoying dinner together, but not unsolicited dick pics?
elevenoh 4y ago
I'm amazed by silicon valley's general puritan/orthodox stance on nudity Nudism is great for the soul - to anyone reading, try it!
- deleted 4y ago
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- shadowgovt 4y ago
  They cared a lot less before the lawsuits started hitting. Their appreciation for nudity is offset by their aversion to standing around in courtrooms or paying money for an expensive representative to do it for them.
Gasp0de 4y ago
Bumble is a dating app. For private communication, you would use an end-to-end encrypted messenger such as Signal or WhatsApp, where no one has any access to your pictures.

by qubex 4y ago

sweetheart 4y ago

I get why this would be incredibly annoying to a nudist, but I can’t really see a path forward that works for nudists and non nudists in this context.

qubex 4y ago
Of corse I’m aware that I’m representing a minority concern and I’m well aware that as matters and principles currently stand we’re in a mutually irreconcilable situation. I’m not saying every effort should be abandoned. I’m just saying that it would be mightily nice if those in decision making positions with regard to these issues and initiatives took the existence of this small and derided demographic into account occasionally.
- sweetheart 4y ago
  That’s fair!
- shadowgovt 4y ago
  When the goal is to create a service with 100% uptake, one can't optimize for the minority position, especially if the majority finds it objectionable. So what you're looking for if you want something like that is a developer that is not optimizing to get 100% uptake. That's tricky to find, because the people with money always want 100% uptake.
  - qubex 4y ago
    It can’t have a target of “100% uptake” if it’s deliberately excluding some tiny but nonzero proportion of those who might otherwise subscribe. That’s the bombastic reply anyway. The more subtle and nuanced response is this is not a comparable situation because it’s not that developers are ignoring a small demographic, it’s that they’re deliberately working to make the environment actively hostile for that mini-demographic.
    - shadowgovt 4y ago
      > It can’t have a target of “100% uptake” if it’s deliberately excluding some tiny but nonzero proportion of those who might otherwise subscribe. Targets are always aspirational. "100% uptake" just means "As many users as possible." > they’re deliberately working to make the environment actively hostile for that mini-demographic. Yes. This is because the larger demographic has made clear that they don't want to share the room with the other demographic and they will leave if forced to.
  - yosito 4y ago
    At one point, a promise of the internet was to optimize for the long tail of niche interests and viewpoints.
    - shadowgovt 4y ago
      I think the internet, as a whole, still does. Individual pages and sites (even the mega-sized ones, like Facebook and Twitter) don't.
capableweb 4y ago
> but I can’t really see a path forward that works for nudists and non nudists in this context The very comment thread your comment is in describes a method that would work for both. > on the sender's side, show a warning before sending that the image appears to be in bad taste and asking for confirmation, then on the receiver's side, hiding the image behind a warning that it may be unwanted and showing two buttons, "show image" and "unmatch". https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33326990 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33326990
- qubex 4y ago
  That method certainly doesn’t work because it is absolutely predicated upon discrimination not respect.
evolvingstuff 4y ago
Easy. Have a setting where someone can consent to (or not) receiving images that may potentially have nudity in them.
- sweetheart 4y ago
  What about nudists who want unsolicited nude pictures of their friends enjoying dinner together, but not unsolicited dick pics?

elevenoh 4y ago

I'm amazed by silicon valley's general puritan/orthodox stance on nudity Nudism is great for the soul - to anyone reading, try it!

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shadowgovt 4y ago
They cared a lot less before the lawsuits started hitting. Their appreciation for nudity is offset by their aversion to standing around in courtrooms or paying money for an expensive representative to do it for them.

Gasp0de 4y ago

Bumble is a dating app. For private communication, you would use an end-to-end encrypted messenger such as Signal or WhatsApp, where no one has any access to your pictures.