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In Europe it's used a lot by small businesses etc. it's pretty bad if it's not reliable. The metaverse better be real good, else Meta will be in serious declin

In Europe it's used a lot by small businesses etc. it's pretty bad if it's not reliable. The metaverse better be real good, else Meta will be in serious decline.

masklinn 4y ago
> The metaverse better be real good They’ve invented legs, I’m not sure what else you’d need.
- shaan7 4y ago
  Wings, obviously.
  - jbirer 4y ago
    They're really close to recreating Second Life, created more than 10 years ago
  - euroderf 4y ago
    And maybe an appendix with five nines reliability.
- netsharc 4y ago
  I feel like people don't see the timeline. As much as I hate Zuck, his current 3D playground is probably comparable to a 70's video game, and his vision is that the Metaverse future is Skyrim or GTA5, I guess that'd be a Matrix-like virtual world. Imagine a headset with a 360 degree camera, so you can broadcast your surroundings, and someone else can wear their VR headset and be seeing what your camera is seeing. Or use some transformation/extra gear so they can view the world/your avatar from a few feet next to you.
  - RNAlfons 4y ago
    Sounds terribly stupid to me. This technology needs drastic minimization to become seriously popular.
    - netsharc 4y ago
      So? Is that not possible? Maybe Zuck is just thinking of a 10+ year timeline, but people (you?) expect The Matrix, now!
  - masklinn 4y ago
    > I feel like people don't see the timeline. And I feel like people are high on fumes and refuse to see that there’s nothing there, none of the actual problems are solved, and there are no real use case being addressed. Someone just went “this is the next hype” and… is it? Most next hypes flounder and die a lonely but well deserved death. > his vision is that the Metaverse future is Skyrim or GTA5, I guess that'd be a Matrix-like virtual world. Except for all the difficult bits which make matrix matrix, you know, the part where you don’t crash into a wall or destroy a display if you forget that you’re very much still in the real world outside of your helmet? > Imagine a headset with a 360 degree camera, so you can broadcast your surroundings, and someone else can wear their VR headset and be seeing what your camera is seeing. Yes because if there’s one thing that’s missing to my life, it’s an office supervisor being able to see my surroundings when I’m taking a shit.
    - netsharc 4y ago
      Dear vitriolic commenter, Sure there's nothing there now, and I'm not cheerleading or hyping him on, but if I were in charge of this project I'd look if the tech which is portable and affordable could be developed (in a 10-15 year timeline) to prevent running into stuff. I look at your response and think "Why so much of the small-mindedness?". I've seen people walk around tourist spots while video-calling their friends/family, the other side would be in their tatty t-shirts in their bedroom, but hey, they can enjoy a part of the caller's travels and adventures. Of course it's also currently possible to take a shit and video call your supervisor, geez, I wish you a better job than one where you have to answer supervisors' calls even while crapping...
sschueller 4y ago
If it's not decentralized like the internet itself, it will never work. Over and over again we learn that centralization doesn't not work.
- qeternity 4y ago
  WhatsApp is used by billions of people with minimal downtime. The fact that the outage is such a big deal flies in the face of this statement. Decentralization is not a panacea. You just have to pick your poison.
- wartijn_ 4y ago
  What does "doesn't work" mean here, and who learns that lesson? E-mail is decentralized, but every now and then a hn post pops up, complaining about how you can't run your own email server these days. Billions of people don't use email for personal communication, but use centralized apps like WhatsApp and many businesses do the same with WhatsApp, Slack and similar apps. To me it looks like running a centralized service works really well for companies like Meta and Google and the fast majority of people pick those services over something else. I don't think many people will change their mind about this because of one outage.
  - Biganon 4y ago
    E-mail is de facto centralized, because a bunch of massive actors get to decide if they want to bully you and send your emails to a blackhole.
- barbs 4y ago
  I like decentralization but in WhatsApp's case it obviously does work for the vast majority of the time.
ChuckNorris89 4y ago
Yeah, WahtsAps is the biggest messaging app in the EU, and I think other Latin-Am countries as well. Whenever it goes down it's bad for business and people. I tried to convince people to move to Signal, but 1) they're not immune to outages as well, 2) the network effect is too strong, and 3) signal doesn't seem to get the QoL niceties that made WhatsApp appealing in the first place and insisting they know better. No easy chat history backup is a no-go for most people. No live location sharing is also a bummer. Plus their Android app is a second class citizen in quality and lacking tablet support.
poisonborz 4y ago
Already is. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2022/10/meta-quest-pro-hands-on-an-unimpressive-first-impression/?comments=1 https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2022/10/meta-quest-pro-hands-...

In Europe it's used a lot by small businesses etc. it's pretty bad if it's not reliable. The metaverse better be real good, else Meta will be in serious decline.

masklinn 4y ago

> The metaverse better be real good They’ve invented legs, I’m not sure what else you’d need.

shaan7 4y ago
Wings, obviously.
- jbirer 4y ago
  They're really close to recreating Second Life, created more than 10 years ago
- euroderf 4y ago
  And maybe an appendix with five nines reliability.
netsharc 4y ago
I feel like people don't see the timeline. As much as I hate Zuck, his current 3D playground is probably comparable to a 70's video game, and his vision is that the Metaverse future is Skyrim or GTA5, I guess that'd be a Matrix-like virtual world. Imagine a headset with a 360 degree camera, so you can broadcast your surroundings, and someone else can wear their VR headset and be seeing what your camera is seeing. Or use some transformation/extra gear so they can view the world/your avatar from a few feet next to you.
- RNAlfons 4y ago
  Sounds terribly stupid to me. This technology needs drastic minimization to become seriously popular.
  - netsharc 4y ago
    So? Is that not possible? Maybe Zuck is just thinking of a 10+ year timeline, but people (you?) expect The Matrix, now!
- masklinn 4y ago
  > I feel like people don't see the timeline. And I feel like people are high on fumes and refuse to see that there’s nothing there, none of the actual problems are solved, and there are no real use case being addressed. Someone just went “this is the next hype” and… is it? Most next hypes flounder and die a lonely but well deserved death. > his vision is that the Metaverse future is Skyrim or GTA5, I guess that'd be a Matrix-like virtual world. Except for all the difficult bits which make matrix matrix, you know, the part where you don’t crash into a wall or destroy a display if you forget that you’re very much still in the real world outside of your helmet? > Imagine a headset with a 360 degree camera, so you can broadcast your surroundings, and someone else can wear their VR headset and be seeing what your camera is seeing. Yes because if there’s one thing that’s missing to my life, it’s an office supervisor being able to see my surroundings when I’m taking a shit.
  - netsharc 4y ago
    Dear vitriolic commenter, Sure there's nothing there now, and I'm not cheerleading or hyping him on, but if I were in charge of this project I'd look if the tech which is portable and affordable could be developed (in a 10-15 year timeline) to prevent running into stuff. I look at your response and think "Why so much of the small-mindedness?". I've seen people walk around tourist spots while video-calling their friends/family, the other side would be in their tatty t-shirts in their bedroom, but hey, they can enjoy a part of the caller's travels and adventures. Of course it's also currently possible to take a shit and video call your supervisor, geez, I wish you a better job than one where you have to answer supervisors' calls even while crapping...

sschueller 4y ago

If it's not decentralized like the internet itself, it will never work. Over and over again we learn that centralization doesn't not work.

qeternity 4y ago
WhatsApp is used by billions of people with minimal downtime. The fact that the outage is such a big deal flies in the face of this statement. Decentralization is not a panacea. You just have to pick your poison.
wartijn_ 4y ago
What does "doesn't work" mean here, and who learns that lesson? E-mail is decentralized, but every now and then a hn post pops up, complaining about how you can't run your own email server these days. Billions of people don't use email for personal communication, but use centralized apps like WhatsApp and many businesses do the same with WhatsApp, Slack and similar apps. To me it looks like running a centralized service works really well for companies like Meta and Google and the fast majority of people pick those services over something else. I don't think many people will change their mind about this because of one outage.
- Biganon 4y ago
  E-mail is de facto centralized, because a bunch of massive actors get to decide if they want to bully you and send your emails to a blackhole.
barbs 4y ago
I like decentralization but in WhatsApp's case it obviously does work for the vast majority of the time.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

Yeah, WahtsAps is the biggest messaging app in the EU, and I think other Latin-Am countries as well. Whenever it goes down it's bad for business and people. I tried to convince people to move to Signal, but 1) they're not immune to outages as well, 2) the network effect is too strong, and 3) signal doesn't seem to get the QoL niceties that made WhatsApp appealing in the first place and insisting they know better. No easy chat history backup is a no-go for most people. No live location sharing is also a bummer. Plus their Android app is a second class citizen in quality and lacking tablet support.

poisonborz 4y ago

Already is. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2022/10/meta-quest-pro-hands-on-an-unimpressive-first-impression/?comments=1 https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2022/10/meta-quest-pro-hands-...