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Sending unsolicited nudes is a crime so no, it should not be allowed even if there are people who enjoy that stuff.

by Kiro 4y ago

AlmostAnyone 4y ago
How does your model differentiate solicited and unsolicited nudes?
- zimpenfish 4y ago
  Doesn't need to, does it? If it's solicited, you know to click on the blurred image. No harm done.
  - AlmostAnyone 4y ago
    The person I replied to said sending nudes shouldn't be allowed at all
    - jasonlotito 4y ago
      They did not say sending nudes shouldn't be allowed. They send sending unsolicited nudes should not be allowed at all, even if a few people enjoy it. They aren't saying people can be naked in front of other people, but that flashing people shouldn't be allowed.
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danuker 4y ago
It is not. https://www.marieclaire.com/politics/bumble-now-unsolicited-nudes-legislation-oped/ https://www.marieclaire.com/politics/bumble-now-unsolicited-... > This sending of unsolicited nudes, or cyberflashing, is not only violent and pernicious, it’s entirely without consequences in 49 states.
- Kiro 4y ago
  Keep reading the article and you will see it is now indeed illegal in a few places, including Texas where Bumble is based. > Now, the sending of a lewd photo without the recipient’s consent is a Class C misdemeanor in Texas, punishable by a fine of up to $500.
  - zimpenfish 4y ago
    > you will see it is now indeed illegal in a few places There's a bill waiting for a Governor's signature in Virginia (which I guess will make it illegal there) and some bills being discussed / worked on in other places but as far as I can tell from the article, Texas is currently the only state with an actual law on the books to make it illegal.
- 4gotunameagain 4y ago
  > not only violent When the western world is so isolated from violence that a naked photo is labeled as such.. Don't get me wrong, that is probably a good thing. And of course I am against unsolicited nudes, but "violence" is a bit of a stretch
- mschuster91 4y ago
  There are jurisdictions other than the US, you know? Germany, for example, places unsolicited nude photos as a felony [1]. [1] https://www.anwalt.de/rechtstipps/strafanzeige-wegen-des-verschickens-von-sog-dickpics-oder-nacktbildern_170759.html https://www.anwalt.de/rechtstipps/strafanzeige-wegen-des-ver...
  - formerly_proven 4y ago
    184 isn't a highlight of German legislation though. It's one of the many leftovers from the prussian police and justice system, which had a heavy emphasis on morality and decency. 184 for example also criminalizes everyone in Germany who ever uploaded porn to a site that doesn't comply with current youth protection laws (which is all of them, basically).
benj111 4y ago
At what point does a nude become unsolicited though? I mean this is a dating site. If I put my arm around someone or lean in for a kiss that could be unsolicited but shouldn't be illegal in the context of a date. Similarly dirty talking in a date is different to doing it in the office. I suppose this could be dealt with through user preferences (don't show nudes/ doesn't appreciate nudes) but the line seems blurred in this situation. It isn't as if you're walking around town in a Mac. I'm not saying it's ok, but it's not definitely, not ok. People are different, dating is already hard enough without worrying about if you're going to be arrested for trying to get to second base.
- ilikecakeandpie 4y ago
  It is always unsolicited until it is reasonably, directly solicited
  - benj111 4y ago
    Right but then you're making 'reasonably' and 'directly' do a lot of heavy lifting. And what does directly even mean in this context? The standards for initiating sex don't require a sit down conversation as to what each party is agreeing to. So why should nude sending be held to a different standard?
    - ilikecakeandpie 4y ago
      The context for this is talking to a person on a dating app where you haven't met them personally. In that case, assuming you've never met them, I think it's inappropriate to send an explicit photo/video unless they straight up ask to see it. "The standards for initiating sex don't require a sit down conversation as to what each party is agreeing to." This attitude leads to women having sex/relations they aren't super comfortable doing. It's not a mood killer if you take a beat just to make sure you're on the same page with expectations and it takes a lot less time than locating, opening, and putting on a condom. You stated in a different comment that your gf tells you off and it kills the mood if you ask to move to the bedroom or having sex while impaired, but surely you realize that's a totally different situation than you meeting up with someone from a dating app, right? Spontaneously acting with someone you know and with who you have built trust is waaaaaay different than sending an unsolicited nude or making advances on someone who is a little more than a stranger.

Sending unsolicited nudes is a crime so no, it should not be allowed even if there are people who enjoy that stuff.

by Kiro 4y ago

Sending unsolicited nudes is a crime so no, it should not be allowed even if there are people who enjoy that stuff.

AlmostAnyone 4y ago

How does your model differentiate solicited and unsolicited nudes?

zimpenfish 4y ago
Doesn't need to, does it? If it's solicited, you know to click on the blurred image. No harm done.
- AlmostAnyone 4y ago
  The person I replied to said sending nudes shouldn't be allowed at all
  - jasonlotito 4y ago
    They did not say sending nudes shouldn't be allowed. They send sending unsolicited nudes should not be allowed at all, even if a few people enjoy it. They aren't saying people can be naked in front of other people, but that flashing people shouldn't be allowed.
  - deleted 4y ago
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danuker 4y ago

It is not. https://www.marieclaire.com/politics/bumble-now-unsolicited-nudes-legislation-oped/ https://www.marieclaire.com/politics/bumble-now-unsolicited-... > This sending of unsolicited nudes, or cyberflashing, is not only violent and pernicious, it’s entirely without consequences in 49 states.

Kiro 4y ago
Keep reading the article and you will see it is now indeed illegal in a few places, including Texas where Bumble is based. > Now, the sending of a lewd photo without the recipient’s consent is a Class C misdemeanor in Texas, punishable by a fine of up to $500.
- zimpenfish 4y ago
  > you will see it is now indeed illegal in a few places There's a bill waiting for a Governor's signature in Virginia (which I guess will make it illegal there) and some bills being discussed / worked on in other places but as far as I can tell from the article, Texas is currently the only state with an actual law on the books to make it illegal.
4gotunameagain 4y ago
> not only violent When the western world is so isolated from violence that a naked photo is labeled as such.. Don't get me wrong, that is probably a good thing. And of course I am against unsolicited nudes, but "violence" is a bit of a stretch
mschuster91 4y ago
There are jurisdictions other than the US, you know? Germany, for example, places unsolicited nude photos as a felony [1]. [1] https://www.anwalt.de/rechtstipps/strafanzeige-wegen-des-verschickens-von-sog-dickpics-oder-nacktbildern_170759.html https://www.anwalt.de/rechtstipps/strafanzeige-wegen-des-ver...
- formerly_proven 4y ago
  184 isn't a highlight of German legislation though. It's one of the many leftovers from the prussian police and justice system, which had a heavy emphasis on morality and decency. 184 for example also criminalizes everyone in Germany who ever uploaded porn to a site that doesn't comply with current youth protection laws (which is all of them, basically).

benj111 4y ago

At what point does a nude become unsolicited though? I mean this is a dating site. If I put my arm around someone or lean in for a kiss that could be unsolicited but shouldn't be illegal in the context of a date. Similarly dirty talking in a date is different to doing it in the office. I suppose this could be dealt with through user preferences (don't show nudes/ doesn't appreciate nudes) but the line seems blurred in this situation. It isn't as if you're walking around town in a Mac. I'm not saying it's ok, but it's not definitely, not ok. People are different, dating is already hard enough without worrying about if you're going to be arrested for trying to get to second base.

ilikecakeandpie 4y ago
It is always unsolicited until it is reasonably, directly solicited
- benj111 4y ago
  Right but then you're making 'reasonably' and 'directly' do a lot of heavy lifting. And what does directly even mean in this context? The standards for initiating sex don't require a sit down conversation as to what each party is agreeing to. So why should nude sending be held to a different standard?
  - ilikecakeandpie 4y ago
    The context for this is talking to a person on a dating app where you haven't met them personally. In that case, assuming you've never met them, I think it's inappropriate to send an explicit photo/video unless they straight up ask to see it. "The standards for initiating sex don't require a sit down conversation as to what each party is agreeing to." This attitude leads to women having sex/relations they aren't super comfortable doing. It's not a mood killer if you take a beat just to make sure you're on the same page with expectations and it takes a lot less time than locating, opening, and putting on a condom. You stated in a different comment that your gf tells you off and it kills the mood if you ask to move to the bedroom or having sex while impaired, but surely you realize that's a totally different situation than you meeting up with someone from a dating app, right? Spontaneously acting with someone you know and with who you have built trust is waaaaaay different than sending an unsolicited nude or making advances on someone who is a little more than a stranger.