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You forget that Russia controls the ingress end of the pipelines. They could, and IMO almost certainly did, simply send maintenance "pigs" [1] laden with explo

by sho 4y ago

You forget that Russia controls the ingress end of the pipelines. They could, and IMO almost certainly did, simply send maintenance "pigs" [1] laden with explosives and a timer down 3 of the 4 lines. No submarines necessary, they didn't even have to leave the office. Honest question. Now that you know just how easy it was for Russia (and only Russia) to do, does that change your calculus a little? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigging https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigging

yucky 4y ago
The Swedish investigation determined there were explosions in the area, not from within the pipeline, so that would eliminate that. Also there is the pesky problem of how the US benefits from it while it hurts the Russians, so common sense would consider the motive.
- sho 4y ago
  Sure there were explosions, of course there were. The investigation has not released any information about the location - internal or external - please feel free to correct me. I was only demonstrating how easy it would have been for them, since others were going on about submarines and what not. Russia had already shut off the gas, "hurting" themselves by your own logic. They have a long, proven history of irrational behaviour and false flag operations. And if the USA had done it, against all reason and logic, why didn't they finish the job? Anyway, I did say almost certainly Russia. Who knows, could have been some faction in Germany or another EU power seeking to really force Germany's hand. But it seems far more likely to be the obvious actor with the means, motive and mindset who started the bloody war in the first place.
  - yucky 4y ago
    It is trivial to determine blast direction (inward vs outward), which is how Sweden was able to determine so quickly that the blast was from nearby, not from within (which eliminates your theory completely). Also, everybody in Europe hates Russia so if the investigation had pointed to them that would have been shouted from the rooftops immediately. Instead, the details of the report has been hidden from public view and Russia was told they couldn't see it. So really nothing would indicate Russia is behind it and everything indicates they're not. Russia had already shut off the gas, "hurting" themselves by your own logic. They shut it off which left them leverage (i.e. "play nice, we turn it back on"). Blowing it up removes that option and removes all of their leverage.

by sho 4y ago

yucky 4y ago

The Swedish investigation determined there were explosions in the area, not from within the pipeline, so that would eliminate that. Also there is the pesky problem of how the US benefits from it while it hurts the Russians, so common sense would consider the motive.

sho 4y ago
Sure there were explosions, of course there were. The investigation has not released any information about the location - internal or external - please feel free to correct me. I was only demonstrating how easy it would have been for them, since others were going on about submarines and what not. Russia had already shut off the gas, "hurting" themselves by your own logic. They have a long, proven history of irrational behaviour and false flag operations. And if the USA had done it, against all reason and logic, why didn't they finish the job? Anyway, I did say almost certainly Russia. Who knows, could have been some faction in Germany or another EU power seeking to really force Germany's hand. But it seems far more likely to be the obvious actor with the means, motive and mindset who started the bloody war in the first place.
- yucky 4y ago
  It is trivial to determine blast direction (inward vs outward), which is how Sweden was able to determine so quickly that the blast was from nearby, not from within (which eliminates your theory completely). Also, everybody in Europe hates Russia so if the investigation had pointed to them that would have been shouted from the rooftops immediately. Instead, the details of the report has been hidden from public view and Russia was told they couldn't see it. So really nothing would indicate Russia is behind it and everything indicates they're not. Russia had already shut off the gas, "hurting" themselves by your own logic. They shut it off which left them leverage (i.e. "play nice, we turn it back on"). Blowing it up removes that option and removes all of their leverage.