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Come to Australia, AUD$150k is fairly normal for a (actual) senior developer now. Note: This is a very recent thing since the start of 2022. Salary guides from

Come to Australia, AUD$150k is fairly normal for a (actual) senior developer now. Note: This is a very recent thing since the start of 2022. Salary guides from even 2020 probably show $30k-$50k less.

gregoryl 4y ago
I'm seeing sub-standard senior candidates asking for 160k (and more) in Melbourne. Fully remote etc.
- phist_mcgee 4y ago
  There really aren't a lot of great candidates out there. The last hiring round I ran turned up a lot of candidates asking for 170k, but who couldn't even do elementary software engineering best practices. Not algorithms, but things like - reading code, writing comments, formatting their files. Pretty incredible to see how tight the market is right now.
  - Panzer04 4y ago
    Really? Do they at least have some kind of redeeming character? Or is it literally at the point where being able to write some kind of code is sufficient? (Am 1yr junior in Melbourne that should probably be looking around, it sounds like..)
    - phist_mcgee 4y ago
      In essence two things: 1. We have to use recruiters to find candidates, we barely get any hits on our job ad, even though we are a pretty innovative company with a modern tech stack and pay quite well. The recruiters field us the most woeful candidates, but at least it's someone rather than no one. The pool for qualified senior engineers is low, so we're all competing for a shrinking pool of candidates relative to the jobs on offer. 2. Hiring for fit is important to me, so it's not so much that they aren't stellar in their interview technically, but the fact that people don't realistically state what their strengths and weaknesses are, and sometimes outright lie to you, means that I don't want to work with them. Humility is the bedrock of real growth, how can you really grow if you're lying to people around you about how competent you are? I've hired weaker candidates technically purely because they had an on honest approach to their abilities, and demonstrated a keeness for learning. If you're at the junior level, my advice is to job hop as mad as possible until you have a few years/companies under your belt. Get a breadth of experiences at a few different places, it will help you contextualise everything you learn/don't know Once you hit 5-10 years experience, that's the time to start slowing down and really honing in on your experience and stay at places for longer. Completing projects end to end, and crucially, learning how to plan, estimate and deal with change over time.
      - californiacream 4y ago
        Do you have a link to your company website, and perhaps a form to fill in with regards to strengths and weaknesses? Dm is ok!
        xupybd 4y ago
        Is it possible to DM on HN?
        gregoryl 4y ago
        Yes, via email, which you can put in your profile!
Vibgyor5 4y ago
A$150k sounds fairly decent against USD but upon currency exchange, it is $94k. Accounting for the high cost of living in places like Sydney etc, it ain't that much
- jakeinspace 4y ago
  Better standard of living in Sydney or Melbourne than the Bay though. I really cherish the time I got to spend in Australia, despite the cost of living, and I’d live to return some day.

Come to Australia, AUD$150k is fairly normal for a (actual) senior developer now. Note: This is a very recent thing since the start of 2022. Salary guides from even 2020 probably show $30k-$50k less.

gregoryl 4y ago

I'm seeing sub-standard senior candidates asking for 160k (and more) in Melbourne. Fully remote etc.

phist_mcgee 4y ago
There really aren't a lot of great candidates out there. The last hiring round I ran turned up a lot of candidates asking for 170k, but who couldn't even do elementary software engineering best practices. Not algorithms, but things like - reading code, writing comments, formatting their files. Pretty incredible to see how tight the market is right now.
- Panzer04 4y ago
  Really? Do they at least have some kind of redeeming character? Or is it literally at the point where being able to write some kind of code is sufficient? (Am 1yr junior in Melbourne that should probably be looking around, it sounds like..)
  - phist_mcgee 4y ago
    In essence two things: 1. We have to use recruiters to find candidates, we barely get any hits on our job ad, even though we are a pretty innovative company with a modern tech stack and pay quite well. The recruiters field us the most woeful candidates, but at least it's someone rather than no one. The pool for qualified senior engineers is low, so we're all competing for a shrinking pool of candidates relative to the jobs on offer. 2. Hiring for fit is important to me, so it's not so much that they aren't stellar in their interview technically, but the fact that people don't realistically state what their strengths and weaknesses are, and sometimes outright lie to you, means that I don't want to work with them. Humility is the bedrock of real growth, how can you really grow if you're lying to people around you about how competent you are? I've hired weaker candidates technically purely because they had an on honest approach to their abilities, and demonstrated a keeness for learning. If you're at the junior level, my advice is to job hop as mad as possible until you have a few years/companies under your belt. Get a breadth of experiences at a few different places, it will help you contextualise everything you learn/don't know Once you hit 5-10 years experience, that's the time to start slowing down and really honing in on your experience and stay at places for longer. Completing projects end to end, and crucially, learning how to plan, estimate and deal with change over time.
    - californiacream 4y ago
      Do you have a link to your company website, and perhaps a form to fill in with regards to strengths and weaknesses? Dm is ok!
      - xupybd 4y ago
        Is it possible to DM on HN?
        gregoryl 4y ago
        Yes, via email, which you can put in your profile!

Vibgyor5 4y ago

A$150k sounds fairly decent against USD but upon currency exchange, it is $94k. Accounting for the high cost of living in places like Sydney etc, it ain't that much

jakeinspace 4y ago
Better standard of living in Sydney or Melbourne than the Bay though. I really cherish the time I got to spend in Australia, despite the cost of living, and I’d live to return some day.