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> No, because that usually completely ignores point 2. For example the commonly used Lazard data on LCOE ignores storage and has zero cost component to allow fo
by Schroedingersat 4y ago
> No, because that usually completely ignores point 2. For example the commonly used Lazard data on LCOE ignores storage and has zero cost component to allow for time shifting over short or long periods. You need more than LCOE to make a fair comparison of costs of different energy sources.
Yes, you need to compare total system cost.
Which, as I said before you attempted to derail the point again, currently favours nuclear for a 30 year timescale -- but only barely.
You're also presently mixing up units of LCOS with units of capacity ($130 per MWh would be 0.05% of current costs).
> The storage costs totally dominate the costs so tomorrow’s cost of wind or solar generation is completely irrelevant for a fair comparison
Luckily I was comparing tomorrow'scost of storage. Storage is about to do what PV did in the 2010s. There are at least three separate battery technologies presently scaling production that need no scarce materials and have an extremely compelling case for a 5-fold reduction in price.
But even ignoring storage entirely, each dollar on renewables can remove more emissions than a dollar of nuclear. It's only when you have funded maximum penetration with ~4h storage that you should consider adding more.
Then there's the fuel issue. In all of the mines and all of the spent fuel and all of the enrichment tailings, there is not enough U235 and Pu for a single load of fuel to provide more than about 60% of primary energy. Adding more than ahout 200GW of nuclear is scifi.
- robocat 4y agoFair call. The figure had a terrible smell when I was writing it, and is orders of magnitude out - that is an embarrassing mistake. I am not denying that battery costs are falling drastically. I am decrying that numbers are thrown around with no meaning, and then I go and do that. Fuck. Thank you for your careful reply.
- Schroedingersat 4y agoThanks for that breath of calm and collaboration. I apologize for being a little hostile -- it gets a little frustrating constantly hearing people say they want to spend trillions pouring billions of tonnes of sulfuric acid into my country's ground water in order to try and manifest an all-PWR future before even considering funding the things that make a much larger impact. I guess it is probably just as frustrating seeing people claim a square mile of pv modules in a shipping container and nothing else is somehow a drop-in replacement for an AP-1000 for 1% of the price. Cheers.