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This is an ironic example because Apple fans (and Apple execs themselves!) spent years blaming IBM, and then years blaming Intel. The good thing is they found

This is an ironic example because Apple fans (and Apple execs themselves!) spent years blaming IBM, and then years blaming Intel. The good thing is they found a solution. But despite being a hundred billion dollar plus company it took then anywhere from 5-10 years to find solutions in both cases. That a new startup hasn't been able to resolve it in less than a couple of years is significantly less worse than the blaming Apple and its fans have done. Edit: I was looking up some supporting articles and I completely forgot that before Intel and IBM, Apple was blaming Motorola: https://www.theregister.com/2004/07/15/apple_cpu_grumbles/ https://www.theregister.com/2004/07/15/apple_cpu_grumbles/

hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
That's totally different in my opinion. It's not like Apple shipped something to your door that didn't work and said "Oh, that's IBM's fault". Complaining that IBM wasn't able to meet their demand seems utterly fair to me, though I don't know what the root cause of the delay was. But regardless, Apple was still standing by the products that they actually sent out.
Terretta 4y ago
Ironic because it only took a "consumer luxury brand" company 5-10 years to "find a solution" by making their own chip that runs circles around the top name brand CPU at a fraction of wattage? "If you're so unhappy why don't you try it?" may be a less popular rejoinder from future monopolists like Intel.* Meanwhile, how many assemblies of PC components in the shape of a laptop get a unique part number each year? Surely someone knows how to meld kit into a SKU and make sure important bits have drivers for the OSes you market. * If Apple starts grumbling about your chips, check your calendar. Not long till your lunch is gone. Every time.
- rhaway84773 4y ago
  Apple only just started making chips when they became a company earning $200+Bn revenues. They’ve been complaining about their chip makers since 1999 at least. The example is ironic. Apple’s behavior isn’t. They conveyed the truth. Just like Framework is conveying the truth. Is that a valid excuse for Framework? Not for their customers at least. Just like it wasn’t a valid excuse for Apple when it was selling absolute lemons with Motorola chips in them and then absolute lemons with IBM G4 chips in them towards the end of their IBM relationship, or absolute lemons which couldn’t support 32GB of memory when their much smaller competitors using the same chips had been doing so for years.
  - Terretta 4y ago
    > it wasn’t a valid excuse for Apple when it was selling absolute lemons Presumably an "absolute" lemon wouldn't work. All those models you mentioned worked fine for most folks. To the point about checking the calendar, it takes time to re-platform, Apple can't stop filling buyer need for Macs for the years that takes to re-platform, and they definitely signaled recognition of chip unhappiness so buyers could beware if they cared.

hn_throwaway_99 4y ago

That's totally different in my opinion. It's not like Apple shipped something to your door that didn't work and said "Oh, that's IBM's fault". Complaining that IBM wasn't able to meet their demand seems utterly fair to me, though I don't know what the root cause of the delay was. But regardless, Apple was still standing by the products that they actually sent out.

Terretta 4y ago

Ironic because it only took a "consumer luxury brand" company 5-10 years to "find a solution" by making their own chip that runs circles around the top name brand CPU at a fraction of wattage? "If you're so unhappy why don't you try it?" may be a less popular rejoinder from future monopolists like Intel.* Meanwhile, how many assemblies of PC components in the shape of a laptop get a unique part number each year? Surely someone knows how to meld kit into a SKU and make sure important bits have drivers for the OSes you market. * If Apple starts grumbling about your chips, check your calendar. Not long till your lunch is gone. Every time.

rhaway84773 4y ago
Apple only just started making chips when they became a company earning $200+Bn revenues. They’ve been complaining about their chip makers since 1999 at least. The example is ironic. Apple’s behavior isn’t. They conveyed the truth. Just like Framework is conveying the truth. Is that a valid excuse for Framework? Not for their customers at least. Just like it wasn’t a valid excuse for Apple when it was selling absolute lemons with Motorola chips in them and then absolute lemons with IBM G4 chips in them towards the end of their IBM relationship, or absolute lemons which couldn’t support 32GB of memory when their much smaller competitors using the same chips had been doing so for years.
- Terretta 4y ago
  > it wasn’t a valid excuse for Apple when it was selling absolute lemons Presumably an "absolute" lemon wouldn't work. All those models you mentioned worked fine for most folks. To the point about checking the calendar, it takes time to re-platform, Apple can't stop filling buyer need for Macs for the years that takes to re-platform, and they definitely signaled recognition of chip unhappiness so buyers could beware if they cared.