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I'm almost certain your comment is tongue-in-cheek, but it did pique my curiosity - what do you think the actual ratio of unwanted explicit photos from each sex

I'm almost certain your comment is tongue-in-cheek, but it did pique my curiosity - what do you think the actual ratio of unwanted explicit photos from each sex is? I have a hard time imagining it being less than 99:1.

diebeforei485 4y ago
There is a lot of DM spam on Twitter, TikTok, and Facebook/Instagram/Whatsapp involving explicit photos of female genitalia that would meet the criteria of obscene material under California's law[1] around sending unsolicited images by electronic means (SB 53). 1. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB53 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtm...
- Affric 4y ago
  Are they sent by the women who own the genitalia? I have never once received an unwanted nude from a woman but as spam whereas with men it has happened enough times for me to believe without statistical justification that unwanted images of male genitalia would be more common.
  - diebeforei485 4y ago
    Yes, women who have paid content on OnlyFans or similar platforms. In some cases it's IRL sex workers. I am not sure how this is relevant to building a classifier, however. Or relevant to California law.
  - chongli 4y ago
    It does not matter who owns the body parts in the images. Unwanted genitalia is unwanted genitalia, no matter the sex or the purpose. I think a lot of unsolicited female genitalia is sent for spam/scam proposes. A particularly pernicious sort is in the form of sextortion [1]. Images of female genitalia may be sent by a criminal to entice a (typically young or teenage) boy into believing he’s engaging in an online romantic relationship with a real girl. When he reciprocates with images of his own body (as requested to do so), the criminal responds by using those images to blackmail him into paying money with the threat of exposing him to friends and family. This sort of attack has also been used to target girls, though recently the targeting of boys has grown much faster. If I had to speculate, criminals likely see young boys as easier targets who can be enticed with images of the female body. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sextortion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sextortion
- ASalazarMX 4y ago
  Specially annoying when they use trending topics to tag their unrelated content. It never ocurred to me that I've seen more unsolicited female nudes in Twitter than everywhere else combined, including Reddit and its unsolicited chats.
EarlKing 4y ago
The actual ratio will vary as a function of the attractiveness of the recipient. Your average joe probably gets none (or as close to none as statistically possible without actually being none). Your guy who looks like he just walked off a runway in Milan, OTOH, can probably count on getting at least a few a day, if only because they are the focus of so much attention.
chabons 4y ago
I suspect it's not just the occurrence rate which influences this feature being male-focussed. It's probably also the expected reception, which is itself a function of the occurrence rate. If I opened an app one day and received an unsolicited picture of female genitalia, that would be strange. If it happened every day, then it's spam, even if I don't have a strong aversion to it.
djbusby 4y ago
I did a video-chat like app c2013-15; with filtered panelists for market research. The participants were compensated (~60/hr). IIRC, in something like 2000 interviews there were 4 male flashers and zero female. Four more than expected when we're paying for their time. 2000:4:0
ronnier 4y ago
It’s probably a lot different than you think because of romance scams targeting men.

diebeforei485 4y ago

There is a lot of DM spam on Twitter, TikTok, and Facebook/Instagram/Whatsapp involving explicit photos of female genitalia that would meet the criteria of obscene material under California's law[1] around sending unsolicited images by electronic means (SB 53). 1. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB53 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtm...

Affric 4y ago
Are they sent by the women who own the genitalia? I have never once received an unwanted nude from a woman but as spam whereas with men it has happened enough times for me to believe without statistical justification that unwanted images of male genitalia would be more common.
- diebeforei485 4y ago
  Yes, women who have paid content on OnlyFans or similar platforms. In some cases it's IRL sex workers. I am not sure how this is relevant to building a classifier, however. Or relevant to California law.
- chongli 4y ago
  It does not matter who owns the body parts in the images. Unwanted genitalia is unwanted genitalia, no matter the sex or the purpose. I think a lot of unsolicited female genitalia is sent for spam/scam proposes. A particularly pernicious sort is in the form of sextortion [1]. Images of female genitalia may be sent by a criminal to entice a (typically young or teenage) boy into believing he’s engaging in an online romantic relationship with a real girl. When he reciprocates with images of his own body (as requested to do so), the criminal responds by using those images to blackmail him into paying money with the threat of exposing him to friends and family. This sort of attack has also been used to target girls, though recently the targeting of boys has grown much faster. If I had to speculate, criminals likely see young boys as easier targets who can be enticed with images of the female body. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sextortion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sextortion
ASalazarMX 4y ago
Specially annoying when they use trending topics to tag their unrelated content. It never ocurred to me that I've seen more unsolicited female nudes in Twitter than everywhere else combined, including Reddit and its unsolicited chats.

EarlKing 4y ago

The actual ratio will vary as a function of the attractiveness of the recipient. Your average joe probably gets none (or as close to none as statistically possible without actually being none). Your guy who looks like he just walked off a runway in Milan, OTOH, can probably count on getting at least a few a day, if only because they are the focus of so much attention.

chabons 4y ago

I suspect it's not just the occurrence rate which influences this feature being male-focussed. It's probably also the expected reception, which is itself a function of the occurrence rate. If I opened an app one day and received an unsolicited picture of female genitalia, that would be strange. If it happened every day, then it's spam, even if I don't have a strong aversion to it.

djbusby 4y ago

I did a video-chat like app c2013-15; with filtered panelists for market research. The participants were compensated (~60/hr). IIRC, in something like 2000 interviews there were 4 male flashers and zero female. Four more than expected when we're paying for their time. 2000:4:0

ronnier 4y ago

It’s probably a lot different than you think because of romance scams targeting men.