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>> Using Linux on the phone with the lack of integration, the poor interface etc is the opposite of “consumer friendly”. Who said anything about using Linux on

>> Using Linux on the phone with the lack of integration, the poor interface etc is the opposite of “consumer friendly”. Who said anything about using Linux on phones? I agree that a third smartphone platform would need to be user friendly. Whether based on Linux, OpenBSD, QNX, Symbian, or something is just a technical detail. >> Normal consumers are not asking for the ability to “program their phone and run media servers” No one asked for iPhone. They were quite happy with their Blackberry and Treo phones. My personal wants for a smartphone are not why having a third smartphone platform would help innovation and competition in the current stagnant duopoly. >> “Open” is not an “innovation”. Yes, but "Closed" sucks for everyone but the platform owners. iOS developers have been suffering and Apple has little reason it fix the issues: https://www.wired.com/story/apples-app-store-review-fix-fails-placate-developers/ https://www.wired.com/story/apples-app-store-review-fix-fail... Android developers face similar troubles: http://www.fosspatents.com/2022/07/developer-class-action-settlement-with.html http://www.fosspatents.com/2022/07/developer-class-action-se... The current smartphone duopoly is just two competing monopolies with consumers and developers caught in the middle. Some organizations are trying to get "Open" smartphone marketplaces and more choice and competition in the markets: https://appfairness.org/ https://appfairness.org/ https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022/10/24/common-charger-eu-ministers-give-final-approval-to-one-size-fits-all-charging-port/ https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022... Open standards and open markets encourage real competition and innovation.

scarface74 4y ago
> Yes, but "Closed" sucks for everyone but the platform owners. If you ask 99%+ of phone users. They don’t care about a “closed” phone platform anymore than console owners care. > iOS developers have been suffering and Apple has little reason it fix the issues: https://www.wired.com/story/apples-app-store-review-fix-fail https://www.wired.com/story/apples-app-store-review-fix-fail... And what percentage of iOS users that collectively making billions are “suffering”? > Some organizations are trying to get "Open" smartphone marketplaces and more choice and competition in the markets: And failing miserable. The market has spoken. > Open standards and open markets encourage real competition and innovation. And yet, it wasn’t “open standards” that brought any of the “innovations” to the market that users care about. How many decades have Linux advocates been promising the “year of the Linux desktop”?
- thesuperbigfrog 4y ago
  >> If you ask 99%+ of phone users. They don’t care about a “closed” phone platform anymore than console owners care. No one cares until they are personally impacted. >> And failing miserable. The market has spoken. Markets shift with time and circumstances. Those on top will not be there forever. >> And yet, it wasn’t “open standards” that brought any of the “innovations” to the market that users care about. Most users are ignorant of the standards that they rely on. iOS and Android are built on POSIX standards and rely on numerous networking and telecommunication standards. The Internet and World Wide Web that people use their smartphones to access are built on standards. The "magical" experiences that Apple sells to users would not be possible without a veritable book of engineering standards: https://www.ietf.org/standards/rfcs/ https://www.ietf.org/standards/rfcs/ https://www.iso.org/home.html https://www.iso.org/home.html https://www.ecma-international.org/ https://www.ecma-international.org/ >> How many decades have Linux advocates been promising the “year of the Linux desktop”? I am not sure why you keep pulling Linux into the discussion. Just because Android uses Linux does not mean that other smartphone platforms would use it.

scarface74 4y ago

> Yes, but "Closed" sucks for everyone but the platform owners. If you ask 99%+ of phone users. They don’t care about a “closed” phone platform anymore than console owners care. > iOS developers have been suffering and Apple has little reason it fix the issues: https://www.wired.com/story/apples-app-store-review-fix-fail https://www.wired.com/story/apples-app-store-review-fix-fail... And what percentage of iOS users that collectively making billions are “suffering”? > Some organizations are trying to get "Open" smartphone marketplaces and more choice and competition in the markets: And failing miserable. The market has spoken. > Open standards and open markets encourage real competition and innovation. And yet, it wasn’t “open standards” that brought any of the “innovations” to the market that users care about. How many decades have Linux advocates been promising the “year of the Linux desktop”?

thesuperbigfrog 4y ago
>> If you ask 99%+ of phone users. They don’t care about a “closed” phone platform anymore than console owners care. No one cares until they are personally impacted. >> And failing miserable. The market has spoken. Markets shift with time and circumstances. Those on top will not be there forever. >> And yet, it wasn’t “open standards” that brought any of the “innovations” to the market that users care about. Most users are ignorant of the standards that they rely on. iOS and Android are built on POSIX standards and rely on numerous networking and telecommunication standards. The Internet and World Wide Web that people use their smartphones to access are built on standards. The "magical" experiences that Apple sells to users would not be possible without a veritable book of engineering standards: https://www.ietf.org/standards/rfcs/ https://www.ietf.org/standards/rfcs/ https://www.iso.org/home.html https://www.iso.org/home.html https://www.ecma-international.org/ https://www.ecma-international.org/ >> How many decades have Linux advocates been promising the “year of the Linux desktop”? I am not sure why you keep pulling Linux into the discussion. Just because Android uses Linux does not mean that other smartphone platforms would use it.