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> My previous experience with Windows (~3 years ago) was that every single update took ~2 hours to complete, and they were asking to update weekly. Unless you

> My previous experience with Windows (~3 years ago) was that every single update took ~2 hours to complete, and they were asking to update weekly. Unless you manually seek preview updates, Windows gets updates once per month, on Patch Tuesday (a twenty-year tradition now). Two hours for "every single update" sounds implausible for Windows 10 because Microsoft has implemented changes to minimize the "offline phase" of the updates to mere minutes - even on HDDs. Which brings to my last point. If updates were taking long, then your OS was most certainly installed on a HDD. Everyone knows HDDs are slow as hell. Seriously, what was the point of replying with complaints about Windows on slow hardware and comparing it to mac OS on fast hardware? It almost feels dishonest. And for the record, Ventura is installing on the Mac as I type this on my Windows machine. The 22H2 update for Windows 11 had an offline phase of under 10 minutes and I have a non-NMVe SSD here. The Mac has already been down for about 15 and it's not even done yet.

tekknik 4y ago
If you don’t use windows for your daily driver, then you absolutely get into this situation. Even on NVMe, rarely is a windows 10 update (still running it here) less than an hour. Then there’s connection speed. Even on a gig line you won’t get gig speeds. And again, if you’re not on it everyday then you may have to update multiple drivers and other windows updates.
dividedbyzero 4y ago
> Unless you manually seek preview updates, Windows gets updates once per month, on Patch Tuesday (a twenty-year tradition now). That's weird, there have been multiple occasions when my gaming desktop (Win10 Pro) installed updates for multiple consecutive shutdowns and I definitely haven't opted into any additional update channels. I don't use it all that often, so those were spaced out over two weeks maybe, but definitely less than a month. They tend to take quite a while for me, too, I'd say 20-ish minutes at the least? Typical minor macOS updates take less time for me (2020 Intel 13" MBP; desktop does have a NVMe SSD and is a bit older than the Macbook). At least with Windows Pro you can postpone them like on macOS, I've used Home for a bit and forced reboots mid-game are just crazy frustrating. No idea about Windows 11, my desktop apparently can't run it, which is weird, too; I thought backward compatibility was a big thing with Windows. Same with a few Windows XP era games, apparently I have to buy remastered versions, can't get the originals to run anymore. That's kind of a theme with me and Windows; I start out expecting things to be as good or better as on macOS (their user base is massive, surely they'll polish everything really nicely), but then reality is kinda underwhelming and frustrating. If I hibernate my PC, it invariably turns itself back on at 2 AM and won't go back to sleep even if configured to. It won't do WOL no matter what I try, scanning via a HP all-in-one device requires a HP cloud account, funnels me into an ink subscription, upload scans to their cloud and then crashes mid-scan (on macOS, that "just works" via the built-in Printers and Scanners app), the bundled Office app doesn't actually have the standalone apps (need to download the "real" Office installer for those, which they tell you nowhere at all; why don't they just bundle them like the iWork apps?), ... so at this point I've simply accepted that Windows is a bit like Linux in that as a non-expert user you have to live with a couple of weird and broken things at all times, but you can save money on hardware and can get setups Apple doesn't sell (like a comparatively inexpensive gaming desktop, though my desktop wasn't exactly cheap either). If I could have modded PC games on a more console-like platform, I'd probably move my gaming there.
kennend3 4y ago
This is very well written. This whole "tribalism" nonsense over companies is just insane. If you like windows, great. If you like MacOS, great. I don't get why people feel a personal attachment to things like which OS they use. What really confuses me is when they become unpaid advocates for their company of choice? Personally, I've never been a big fan of Microsoft and used Ubuntu/Mint for many years. Recently i moved to MacOS. None of this has caused me to develop some sort of personal attachment with what OS I use. I'm not going to spend my time doing as the OP did - write a dishonest review to flog my OS of choice. PS. I do have a windows laptop which i haven't used in months. I used it last week and it did take a while to upgrade as there were many missing updates. I also upgraded my pc from Monterey to Ventura. Both took around the same time so i really dont get the OP's point?
- ar_lan 4y ago
  This is not tribalism. I’m detailing a history of why I stopped using Windows, because the updates were frustratingly annoying. If it wasn’t every week, it certainly felt like it - perhaps it was every other week. But it’s not dishonest to claim that Windows updates took up far more time than macOS updates. If I update my Mac twice a year, but Windows has to update bi-weekly (or monthly, as the person responded to me claimed is the only possible way), that is still several hours more time dedicated to Windows updates overall. Additionally I can go far longer without updating my Mac - I’m not sure if there was a setting for this on Windows, but their updates seemed more-or-less forced. —- It’s interesting you believe someone to have had a negative experience with Windows to be a dishonest experience.
  - kennend3 4y ago
    > This is not tribalism. Sure it is.. this whole "i'm an apple user and you are a windows user" is tribalism. Try spending some time on any discussion boards and read the blatant misinformation floating around. > It’s interesting you believe someone to have had a negative experience with Windows to be a dishonest experience. I stopped using windows personally around the Windows NT days, mostly because the negative experiences so i absolutely can believe the negative experiences. Anyhow.. MacOS isn't updated as infrequently as you state: # ProductID Version Build Post Date Title 1 061-26578 10.14.5 18F2059 2019-10-14 macOS Mojave 2 061-26589 10.14.6 18G103 2019-10-14 macOS Mojave 3 041-91758 10.13.6 17G66 2019-10-19 macOS High Sierra 4 041-88800 10.14.4 18E2034 2019-10-23 macOS Mojave 5 041-90855 10.13.5 17F66a 2019-10-23 Install macOS High Sierra Beta 6 061-86291 10.15.3 19D2064 2020-03-23 macOS Catalina 7 001-04366 10.15.4 19E2269 2020-05-04 macOS Catalina 8 001-15219 10.15.5 19F2200 2020-06-15 macOS Catalina 9 001-36735 10.15.6 19G2006 2020-08-06 macOS Catalina 10 001-36801 10.15.6 19G2021 2020-08-12 macOS Catalina 11 001-51042 10.15.7 19H2 2020-09-24 macOS Catalina 12 001-57224 10.15.7 19H4 2020-10-27 macOS Catalina 13 001-68446 10.15.7 19H15 2020-11-11 macOS Catalina 14 071-78704 11.5.2 20G95 2021-08-18 macOS Big Sur 15 002-23589 11.6.1 20G224 2021-12-01 macOS Big Sur 16 002-42341 11.6.2 20G314 2022-01-14 macOS Big Sur 17 002-57023 11.6.3 20G415 2022-01-26 macOS Big Sur 18 002-65695 11.6.4 20G417 2022-02-17 macOS Big Sur 19 002-77154 11.6.5 20G527 2022-04-11 macOS Big Sur 20 012-08272 11.6.6 20G624 2022-05-24 macOS Big Sur 21 012-42714 12.5 21G72 2022-07-28 macOS Monterey 22 012-40387 11.6.8 20G730 2022-07-28 macOS Big Sur 23 012-51693 12.5.1 21G83 2022-08-24 macOS Monterey 24 012-40494 12.6 21G115 2022-09-20 macOS Monterey 25 012-38280 11.7 20G817 2022-09-20 macOS Big Sur 26 012-92138 13.0 22A380 2022-10-24 macOS Ventura 27 012-90254 12.6.1 21G217 2022-10-24 macOS Monterey 28 012-90253 11.7.1 20G918 2022-10-24 macOS Big Sur And as someone who hasn't used windows in literally MONTHS.. you can postpone their updates...

tekknik 4y ago

If you don’t use windows for your daily driver, then you absolutely get into this situation. Even on NVMe, rarely is a windows 10 update (still running it here) less than an hour. Then there’s connection speed. Even on a gig line you won’t get gig speeds. And again, if you’re not on it everyday then you may have to update multiple drivers and other windows updates.

dividedbyzero 4y ago

> Unless you manually seek preview updates, Windows gets updates once per month, on Patch Tuesday (a twenty-year tradition now). That's weird, there have been multiple occasions when my gaming desktop (Win10 Pro) installed updates for multiple consecutive shutdowns and I definitely haven't opted into any additional update channels. I don't use it all that often, so those were spaced out over two weeks maybe, but definitely less than a month. They tend to take quite a while for me, too, I'd say 20-ish minutes at the least? Typical minor macOS updates take less time for me (2020 Intel 13" MBP; desktop does have a NVMe SSD and is a bit older than the Macbook). At least with Windows Pro you can postpone them like on macOS, I've used Home for a bit and forced reboots mid-game are just crazy frustrating. No idea about Windows 11, my desktop apparently can't run it, which is weird, too; I thought backward compatibility was a big thing with Windows. Same with a few Windows XP era games, apparently I have to buy remastered versions, can't get the originals to run anymore. That's kind of a theme with me and Windows; I start out expecting things to be as good or better as on macOS (their user base is massive, surely they'll polish everything really nicely), but then reality is kinda underwhelming and frustrating. If I hibernate my PC, it invariably turns itself back on at 2 AM and won't go back to sleep even if configured to. It won't do WOL no matter what I try, scanning via a HP all-in-one device requires a HP cloud account, funnels me into an ink subscription, upload scans to their cloud and then crashes mid-scan (on macOS, that "just works" via the built-in Printers and Scanners app), the bundled Office app doesn't actually have the standalone apps (need to download the "real" Office installer for those, which they tell you nowhere at all; why don't they just bundle them like the iWork apps?), ... so at this point I've simply accepted that Windows is a bit like Linux in that as a non-expert user you have to live with a couple of weird and broken things at all times, but you can save money on hardware and can get setups Apple doesn't sell (like a comparatively inexpensive gaming desktop, though my desktop wasn't exactly cheap either). If I could have modded PC games on a more console-like platform, I'd probably move my gaming there.

kennend3 4y ago

This is very well written. This whole "tribalism" nonsense over companies is just insane. If you like windows, great. If you like MacOS, great. I don't get why people feel a personal attachment to things like which OS they use. What really confuses me is when they become unpaid advocates for their company of choice? Personally, I've never been a big fan of Microsoft and used Ubuntu/Mint for many years. Recently i moved to MacOS. None of this has caused me to develop some sort of personal attachment with what OS I use. I'm not going to spend my time doing as the OP did - write a dishonest review to flog my OS of choice. PS. I do have a windows laptop which i haven't used in months. I used it last week and it did take a while to upgrade as there were many missing updates. I also upgraded my pc from Monterey to Ventura. Both took around the same time so i really dont get the OP's point?

ar_lan 4y ago
This is not tribalism. I’m detailing a history of why I stopped using Windows, because the updates were frustratingly annoying. If it wasn’t every week, it certainly felt like it - perhaps it was every other week. But it’s not dishonest to claim that Windows updates took up far more time than macOS updates. If I update my Mac twice a year, but Windows has to update bi-weekly (or monthly, as the person responded to me claimed is the only possible way), that is still several hours more time dedicated to Windows updates overall. Additionally I can go far longer without updating my Mac - I’m not sure if there was a setting for this on Windows, but their updates seemed more-or-less forced. —- It’s interesting you believe someone to have had a negative experience with Windows to be a dishonest experience.
- kennend3 4y ago
  > This is not tribalism. Sure it is.. this whole "i'm an apple user and you are a windows user" is tribalism. Try spending some time on any discussion boards and read the blatant misinformation floating around. > It’s interesting you believe someone to have had a negative experience with Windows to be a dishonest experience. I stopped using windows personally around the Windows NT days, mostly because the negative experiences so i absolutely can believe the negative experiences. Anyhow.. MacOS isn't updated as infrequently as you state: # ProductID Version Build Post Date Title 1 061-26578 10.14.5 18F2059 2019-10-14 macOS Mojave 2 061-26589 10.14.6 18G103 2019-10-14 macOS Mojave 3 041-91758 10.13.6 17G66 2019-10-19 macOS High Sierra 4 041-88800 10.14.4 18E2034 2019-10-23 macOS Mojave 5 041-90855 10.13.5 17F66a 2019-10-23 Install macOS High Sierra Beta 6 061-86291 10.15.3 19D2064 2020-03-23 macOS Catalina 7 001-04366 10.15.4 19E2269 2020-05-04 macOS Catalina 8 001-15219 10.15.5 19F2200 2020-06-15 macOS Catalina 9 001-36735 10.15.6 19G2006 2020-08-06 macOS Catalina 10 001-36801 10.15.6 19G2021 2020-08-12 macOS Catalina 11 001-51042 10.15.7 19H2 2020-09-24 macOS Catalina 12 001-57224 10.15.7 19H4 2020-10-27 macOS Catalina 13 001-68446 10.15.7 19H15 2020-11-11 macOS Catalina 14 071-78704 11.5.2 20G95 2021-08-18 macOS Big Sur 15 002-23589 11.6.1 20G224 2021-12-01 macOS Big Sur 16 002-42341 11.6.2 20G314 2022-01-14 macOS Big Sur 17 002-57023 11.6.3 20G415 2022-01-26 macOS Big Sur 18 002-65695 11.6.4 20G417 2022-02-17 macOS Big Sur 19 002-77154 11.6.5 20G527 2022-04-11 macOS Big Sur 20 012-08272 11.6.6 20G624 2022-05-24 macOS Big Sur 21 012-42714 12.5 21G72 2022-07-28 macOS Monterey 22 012-40387 11.6.8 20G730 2022-07-28 macOS Big Sur 23 012-51693 12.5.1 21G83 2022-08-24 macOS Monterey 24 012-40494 12.6 21G115 2022-09-20 macOS Monterey 25 012-38280 11.7 20G817 2022-09-20 macOS Big Sur 26 012-92138 13.0 22A380 2022-10-24 macOS Ventura 27 012-90254 12.6.1 21G217 2022-10-24 macOS Monterey 28 012-90253 11.7.1 20G918 2022-10-24 macOS Big Sur And as someone who hasn't used windows in literally MONTHS.. you can postpone their updates...